Why the white man always singled out?
A black man sits in the Whitehouse, women outnumber men in colleges, have greatly increased numbers in boardrooms and young women are now out-earning men. Despite this, anti-white male sentiment appears to be increasing exponentially - especially among those aforementioned young women.
In short, I remain sceptical.
That's because society still views white males to be in power. Whether it's true or not is beside the point. People want something to blame.
Just me, or has the goal got smaller?
And with more infighting, too. People are nitpicking a lot more and turning on their own groups. I recently watched a group of female SJWs tear itself apart because they couldn't agree on racism, or sexism, or the whole mean girl attitude and some people got too power hungry and bullied the others. They don't even realize that more often than not, they are their own enemy.
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I didn't agree with any of the options in the poll, and this is why:
1. "White" isn't a proper designation and you can't gauge percentages of "whiteness". It is just as puerile and facile to determine anything about a person because they have pale skin, than it is to do so because someone has skin with more pigmentation in it. "Race" is an outdated scientific concept, that has been plaguing the public consciousness for far too long and I believe it is a modern variant of believing in a flat earth.
People have ethnicity. Ethnic groups are defined and identified using culture. There are infinitely more genetic phenotypes than those involved in skin pigment and bodily proportions, and the sum of these other phenotypes is of infinitely more consequence than these few phenotypes, which we have an inordinately ignorant preoccupation with. Anthropologists have been in agreement that there is no such thing as a "race" for decades now, and the death of that idea really started to gain ground in the 1940's among anthropologists.
Why is it that I am somehow a "majority" because of the pigment of my skin? My Irish ethnicity actually makes me a minority in America. Does my skin pigment somehow mean that physically and mentally I have a lot in common with other "white" people? Why is it that when I fill out demographic surveys for the census and for employment studies, there is a miasma of options for other people but I'm just a "white/caucasian"?
"Caucasian" is an incredibly outdated term that was developed in 18th century Germany, it didn't apply only to people of the same skin pigment, and other people would be very offended if they had to fill in a box saying "mongoloid", or "negroid" which were contemporary terms used in conjunction with "caucasoid" to describe the three primary "races". So suffice it to say that people in general today are staggeringly backwards regarding their understanding of this issue.
2. "Gender" is a cultural concept and it is purely a construction of the human mind. Male and female are biological sexes, not "genders" and the only biological basis we can find for "gender" is the impact of body dysmorphia (aka BDD) on identity issues.
This is another "flat-earth-ism" that plagues the general consciousness and has been hampering a doctor's ability to make medical decisions. The same university in Chicago that began performing sex "change" operations has come out with a thirty year study demonstrating a marked increase in suicide rates, drug addiction, etc. and most importantly the symptoms of BDD, in the vast majority of cases, do not subside but rather become worse instead. This is because we are performing drastic surgical procedures on people and then giving them an excessive amount of hormone therapy, which for obvious reasons can be emotionally confusing and have a number of serious physical and mental side effects. Also, this is because we are trying to treat every other part of that person's body but their brain.
For some backwards reason, even though there are mounting medical findings on this, it is not "politically correct" to suggest these people receive cognitive behavioral therapy or possibly prescribe them a medication to deal with what are mental symptoms. The mounting popularity of this "politically correct" position on the issue is understandable, but the actual results of these medical measures have had negative results. It is not helping these people because you can't change how someone understands their "gender" with drugs. There is no physical basis for it after all.
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A black man sits in the Whitehouse, women outnumber men in colleges, have greatly increased numbers in boardrooms and young women are now out-earning men. Despite this, anti-white male sentiment appears to be increasing exponentially - especially among those aforementioned young women.
In short, I remain sceptical.
That's because society still views white males to be in power. Whether it's true or not is beside the point. People want something to blame.
Just me, or has the goal got smaller?
And with more infighting, too. People are nitpicking a lot more and turning on their own groups. I recently watched a group of female SJWs tear itself apart because they couldn't agree on racism, or sexism, or the whole mean girl attitude and some people got too power hungry and bullied the others. They don't even realize that more often than not, they are their own enemy.
They are impoverished and set upon by their own ignorance. Giant minds made giant contributions in order that they could even have the discussions that they do, live like they do, and expect the living conditions that they do, and in return for this gift they basically start scribbling in a coloring book. As they scribble all over the book they indignantly wait for us to look at it like a Rembrant painting, Goethe's Faust play, or Plato's Symposium.
There is a disease with ancient roots still plaguing people today, who have been gifted all of the educational opportunities in the world, and this disease is apathy and incredible narcissism. Rigorous thinking and self discipline is seen as draconian. What they don't realize is that they themselves gave Socrates the hemlock, because they are continuing to perpetuate such madness today. The modern western culture has evolved from a bastion of hard fought progress, into a vehicle of senseless flat-earth-isms. Their basic lack of self discipline renders them as effectively primitive as a cave dweller spearing a mammoth, because they will never seriously contribute to our understanding of the issues as a species.
This kind of apathy galls me because my grandfather basically starved his way through college, all because he was hungry to educate himself. The impetuosity necessary to spit on the gifts of generations such as his, is staggering indeed.
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1. "White" isn't a proper designation and you can't gauge percentages of "whiteness". It is just as puerile and facile to determine anything about a person because they have pale skin, than it is to do so because someone has skin with more pigmentation in it. "Race" is an outdated scientific concept, that has been plaguing the public consciousness for far too long and I believe it is a modern variant of believing in a flat earth.
People have ethnicity. Ethnic groups are defined and identified using culture. There are infinitely more genetic phenotypes than those involved in skin pigment and bodily proportions, and the sum of these other phenotypes is of infinitely more consequence than these few phenotypes, which we have an inordinately ignorant preoccupation with. Anthropologists have been in agreement that there is no such thing as a "race" for decades now, and the death of that idea really started to gain ground in the 1940's among anthropologists.
Why is it that I am somehow a "majority" because of the pigment of my skin? My Irish ethnicity actually makes me a minority in America. Does my skin pigment somehow mean that physically and mentally I have a lot in common with other "white" people? Why is it that when I fill out demographic surveys for the census and for employment studies, there is a miasma of options for other people but I'm just a "white/caucasian"?
"Caucasian" is an incredibly outdated term that was developed in 18th century Germany, it didn't apply only to people of the same skin pigment, and other people would be very offended if they had to fill in a box saying "mongoloid", or "negroid" which were contemporary terms used in conjunction with "caucasoid" to describe the three primary "races". So suffice it to say that people in general today are staggeringly backwards regarding their understanding of this issue.
2. "Gender" is a cultural concept and it is purely a construction of the human mind. Male and female are biological sexes, not "genders" and the only biological basis we can find for "gender" is the impact of body dysmorphia (aka BDD) on identity issues.
This is another "flat-earth-ism" that plagues the general consciousness and has been hampering a doctor's ability to make medical decisions. The same university in Chicago that began performing sex "change" operations has come out with a thirty year study demonstrating a marked increase in suicide rates, drug addiction, etc. and most importantly the symptoms of BDD, in the vast majority of cases, do not subside but rather become worse instead. This is because we are performing drastic surgical procedures on people and then giving them an excessive amount of hormone therapy, which for obvious reasons can be emotionally confusing and have a number of serious physical and mental side effects. Also, this is because we are trying to treat every other part of that person's body but their brain.
For some backwards reason, even though there are mounting medical findings on this, it is not "politically correct" to suggest these people receive cognitive behavioral therapy or possibly prescribe them a medication to deal with what are mental symptoms. The mounting popularity of this "politically correct" position on the issue is understandable, but the actual results of these medical measures have had negative results. It is not helping these people because you can't change how someone understands their "gender" with drugs. There is no physical basis for it after all.
I overall agree. I expected people here to have considered opinions on the subject, unlike people in general.
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I have never witnessed anyone "singling out white people" in real life.
In Detroit, at the "beggar spots" around the casinos, you can often see middle age white men on their knees with signs begging for money.
Though, perhaps someone will argue it's their "white priviledge" that got them those prime spots.
Interestingly, I have been up and down Pubmed on this subject and have not come across any "thirty year study" out of Chicago. In 2011, a study was published that came out of Sweden, which compared post-op transsexual people to controls in the general population and was a follow-up over a 30-year period, but in that study since the post-op transsexual people were not compared to pre-op transsexual controls or to how they were before surgery one cannot draw any conclusions regarding the effectiveness of sex reassignmnt (emphsis added):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/
If this was not the study you meant, then please provide a citation.
For your next paragraph:
Cognitive behavioral therapy, medication to "cure" severe, persistent gender dysphoria in adults, or as you call it sex dysmorphia? I don't think there are any "mounting medical findings" at all. In fact, I think evidence for this approach is close to non-existent. The APA in its 2012 literature review mentions this (PDF; emphasis added):
http://www.psych.org/File%20Library/Lea ... 12_GID.pdf
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Since we've moved beyond discussion of general opinion (if we ever arrived there) into individual opinions, here's my answer to the question in the title:
The degree of feeling singled out corresponds directly to the narrowness of the definition. The concept creates the feeling.
I just take people as they ask me to, and then examine evidence as it accumulates.
On the topic of BDD, and the medical treatment thereof, I'll leave the details to doctors, but I think they should have a frank discussion of all the good research with the patient. Then they should do what the patient wants unless they expect to cause harm.
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"I find that the best way [to increase self-confidence] is to lie to yourself about who you are, what you've done, and where you're going." - Richard Ayoade
This is why.
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Your Aspie score is 193 of 200
Your neurotypical score is 40 of 200
You are very likely an aspie
No matter where I go I will always be a Gaijin even at home. Like Anime? https://kissanime.to/AnimeList
The fact that his wallpaper seems to be reversed and upside down is really distracting to me...

Also, the fact that humans are human and all humans suck... there is no one above reproach. I have a hard time when anyone singles any group out. Does that actually work, to single a group out and call them worse than others?
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Your Aspie score: 171 of 200
Your Neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 40 of 200
The fact that his wallpaper seems to be reversed and upside down is really distracting to me...

Also, the fact that humans are human and all humans suck... there is no one above reproach. I have a hard time when anyone singles any group out. Does that actually work, to single a group out and call them worse than others?
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Your Aspie score is 193 of 200
Your neurotypical score is 40 of 200
You are very likely an aspie
No matter where I go I will always be a Gaijin even at home. Like Anime? https://kissanime.to/AnimeList
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/
If this was not the study you meant, then please provide a citation.
http://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/boo ... 83192.html
http://www.ssa.uchicago.edu/contemporar ... ndividuals
You're right, I'm sorry if I was being disingenuous and you have every reason to believe that I never read such a study. I thought I had and I'm sure that I was probably mistaken because I couldn't find it when I looked it up in several different departments at the University of Chicago.
What I did find was these two that I've referred to you, and a whole host of others suggesting that it is more of a psychological and cultural phenomenon than a pathological phenomenon. Also I honestly wonder how many trans people are doing now after many of them have been post op for a long time now, and would very much like to find such a study because I'm open to whatever it might suggest. However, I don't take it as a foregone conclusion that such a drastic procedure and all of the hormone treatments will necessarily help people deal with what appears to be a psychological issue.
Interesting, thank you. Don't get me wrong, I wasn't suggesting that we knew how to eliminate or correct the condition, or that it would be preferable to do so for that matter. What I am suggesting is that I don't see any reason we should be sure such drastic measures are helping rather than hurting people.
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The degree of feeling singled out corresponds directly to the narrowness of the definition. The concept creates the feeling.
I just take people as they ask me to, and then examine evidence as it accumulates.
On the topic of BDD, and the medical treatment thereof, I'll leave the details to doctors, but I think they should have a frank discussion of all the good research with the patient. Then they should do what the patient wants unless they expect to cause harm.
This is exactly what I am concerned about. Doctors should at least cause no harm. And I've been wondering if many trans people have been going through with such measures only because of the exposure that the idea has had, that it has helped many such people and lots of doctors are now recommending it. Like a placebo, it may be causing them to want something that might never had occurred to them.
But keep in mind that most of that last paragraph is speculative, and some post op trans opinions (on what prompted them to do what they did in the first place, whether or not they had entertained the thought previous to any exposure to the idea) as well as studies of the consequences for all the people that have gone through with it, is sorely needed. I hope my speculations here don't offend any such people, but I feel they are valid concerns.
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There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.
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Does your definition of white include these ancestries?
*Russian
*Eastern European
*Slavic
*Irish
*Spanish/Hispanic
etc...
Anyways the white man caused global warming, global poverty, numerous economic depressions, numerous financial depressions, numerous colonies, numerous diseases, numerous global wars, etc...
All other groups wanted to live in harmony, but can't because it would run the risk of ceding full power to the white man on a global scale.
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Something.... Weird... Something...
*Russian
*Eastern European
*Slavic
*Irish
*Spanish/Hispanic
etc...
Anyways the white man caused global warming, global poverty, numerous economic depressions, numerous financial depressions, numerous colonies, numerous diseases, numerous global wars, etc...
All other groups wanted to live in harmony, but can't because it would run the risk of ceding full power to the white man on a global scale.
I can't tell if you're serious, or satire...
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Your Aspie score: 171 of 200
Your Neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 40 of 200
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