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blauSamstag
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03 Jul 2015, 3:35 pm

I figure the number of horny teens who might hold off from having sex because they can't find a condom is likely smaller than the number of teens who will decide to have sex strictly because hey there are condoms.

I say pass them out for free.



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03 Jul 2015, 5:05 pm

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"Well, I guess I can't buy condoms, I just won't have sex!" said no hormone-ravaged teen ever.


How is that so hard to conceive? I was way more docile than that. My thoughts were, "My parents haven't told me yet I can date, so I won't even try. Besides, they've taught me to be patient, so I won't bother them by asking anytime soon". And I say date because having sex was completely out of the question. I only sort of thought of it while masturbating.

Sort of, because my imagery was very poor. Fortunately, I could get off in less than ten seconds thinking of female classmates I liked, even if it was a still mental picture of them fully clothed. I was a horny teenager after all. But maybe that doesn't count as "hormone-ravaged" enough :roll:


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04 Jul 2015, 12:37 am

Spiderpig wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
"Well, I guess I can't buy condoms, I just won't have sex!" said no hormone-ravaged teen ever.


How is that so hard to conceive? I was way more docile than that. My thoughts were, "My parents haven't told me yet I can date, so I won't even try. Besides, they've taught me to be patient, so I won't bother them by asking anytime soon". And I say date because having sex was completely out of the question. I only sort of thought of it while masturbating.

Sort of, because my imagery was very poor. Fortunately, I could get off in less than ten seconds thinking of female classmates I liked, even if it was a still mental picture of them fully clothed. I was a horny teenager after all. But maybe that doesn't count as "hormone-ravaged" enough :roll:


I also listen to my mom (usually ;-) ) but most of all common sense.
I'm still a virgin :-(

But not all (and almost certainly the majority) to listen to their parents, not to mention listening to common sense and reasonable action. They will have sex as they wish so, whether it pleases their parents or not, or whether they have access to condoms or not.



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04 Jul 2015, 3:05 am

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What do you think about the ban on the sale of condoms to minors?

Somewhere I read that the Indonesian authorities have banned the sale of condoms to minors.

I am very amused, because if someone thinks that they do not sell condoms to minors, discourage representatives of this age group from making sexual activity is probably a moron, likely will end up on more unwanted pregnancies, and abortions (which are nothing other than infanticide if you ask me.


It's a recipe for trouble. Teens are gonna have sex, their hormones drive them to do it, but with the ban on condoms for minors in Indonesia, they're going to see a lot more STD outbreaks as well as unwanted pregnancies. This is why I'm glad I don't live in a fundamentalist country.



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04 Jul 2015, 10:27 am

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Cue a flourishing under-the-table market for unwholesome individuals posing as parents.

Prohibition on alcohol, organized crime skyrockets with no difference in consumption.

Prohibition on marijuana, organized crime profits with no difference in consumption.

Why is anyone expecting a positive outcome for this scenario?


I doubt there's really no difference at all. But, anyway, it would accomplish one thing: to make it dangerous, just like laws against prostitution make it harder for prostitutes not to be at the mercy of organized crime.

It would also give parents an extra reason not to let their children wander outside on their own, which is the best way to prevent them from meeting anyone you don't want them to, let alone having sex with them.

I'm sorry if it looks like I'm actually trying to defend this. I like playing devil's advocate, and, given my experience, I can't accept the assumption that it's impossible to prevent teenagers from having sex, nor do I like the implication that this is the only reason to let them have it.

I wonder how you'd go about discouraging a teenager from having sex, and, at the same time, insisting that they use condoms if they do. Do you tell them, "Don't have sex, but, if you're not going to obey me, at least do obey me when I tell you to use condoms"? Well, it sounds like an invitation not to care at all about your rules. If you ask me, the first weakness is to take for granted they have a choice. I can't recall having a choice at all---that's why my parents didn't need to lecture me and then cross their fingers and just hope I'd choose to heed their words.


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04 Jul 2015, 11:09 am

Spiderpig wrote:
I doubt there's really no difference at all. But, anyway, it would accomplish one thing: to make it dangerous, just like laws against prostitution make it harder for prostitutes not to be at the mercy of organized crime.

It would also give parents an extra reason not to let their children wander outside on their own, which is the best way to prevent them from meeting anyone you don't want them to, let alone having sex with them.


I don't think making acquiring or possessing condoms dangerous is a desirable outcome. This whole thing is like trying to reduce motorcycle accidents by banning protective gear.

And teens being what they are, I think trying to control where they go when and who they meet where so overtly will just be met with more creative rebellion, giving a romantic flair to disobediance that will just make it more attractive.

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I'm sorry if it looks like I'm actually trying to defend this. I like playing devil's advocate, and, given my experience, I can't accept the assumption that it's impossible to prevent teenagers from having sex, nor do I like the implication that this is the only reason to let them have it.

I wonder how you'd go about discouraging a teenager from having sex, and, at the same time, insisting that they use condoms if they do. Do you tell them, "Don't have sex, but, if you're not going to obey me, at least do obey me when I tell you to use condoms"? Well, it sounds like an invitation not to care at all about your rules. If you ask me, the first weakness is to take for granted they have a choice. I can't recall having a choice at all---that's why my parents didn't need to lecture me and then cross their fingers and just hope I'd choose to heed their words.



It's not impossible to prevent teens from having sex. Mandatory chastity belts for everyone starting the day they turn 13. It's just a question of how totalitarian you want to go.

I don't mind arguing with a devils advocate. As a sex starved aspie myself, I wasn't exactly don Juan in my teens. But if I was less weird and more sociable and extroverted, y'know, more of an NT, I'm sure I'd have ample opportunity for stupidity.

That being said, I think you're committing a Nirvana fallacy; unless we can get all teens to obey all rules, we should skip rules and jump directly to law. Teens may be idiots, but not all of them are entirely daft. If I had a kid, I'd tell them not to smoke. If my kid goes against that, I'd disapprove, but perhaps not as strongly as I would if my kid decided to smoke crack. Reason with them, get them to understand risks and consequences. If you have sex you risk X undesirable consequences, if you have sex without protection, you pretty much guarantee X consequences. Banning the means to mitigate the fallout from teenage sex will just work as a force multiplier for the least desirable outcome.


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