Why we millennials can't afford to be colorblind

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08 Jul 2015, 12:04 pm

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Some people have decided to see this as a problem of crap schools rather than a problem of segregation which I think has been the more succesful approach. Improve the school rather than fretting that it contains few white kids.

I know race relations are very different in the UK and US, but that approach seems to be working very well here. Schools are given extra money for every pupil who has ever lived at a pre-defined poverty level (the point at which the government will pay for your school meals).

A popular way of spending this money is to give all students a free piece of IT, either a laptop or a tablet, which they can use in class and at home. I think this might have further social goods - if you're on the internet, you can't commit petty crimes...


Does the UK school system force people to only go to the school in their area?

Yes, I believe even more so than the US.

You can apply to any school, but good comprehensive schools are inevitably over-subscribed and applications are then ranked on the strength of their application. The best ordinary comprehensive schools will only admit SEN pupils and those who live very locally.

If you want to go to a public school then that's an alternative, but obviously that costs a lot of money so most can't afford it. There are also selective schools and SEN schools but those aren't for everyone.



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08 Jul 2015, 12:08 pm

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I guess I'm the opposite of most people. I find the view that we are all the same race to be offensive. Homogeneity isn't necessarily hateful (the Asians also practice it), but it just offends a lot of people. Why are we so afraid now? And this comes from a millennial.


I find the view a bit odd since there are some rather apparent physical differences/traits among different 'races' but that is due to environmental adaptation...like people had to develop some different traits as a means of surviving different conditions since in ancient and pre-ancient times we had to live out in the elements and deal with them a lot more...means different people in different geographic settings developed in ways to better survive that. Eventually certain traits have stuck, and are ingrained in DNA causing differences among humans that do not make anyone a superior or lessor human as its random genetics. But I simply see no reason those differences are a reason to hate people or oppress them...I mean how immature is 'a random physical trait such as skin color, makes me better than you who has a different one'? Also in many minority cultures they would see the view there are no differences whatsoever as offensive, much of the time for sort of cultural reasons and some people find it as insulting as being told different kinds of apples have no variation in color, as if in order to see all apples as apples one would need to see them all as being exactly the same.

Also though people much of the time start stereotyping with statistics, like starting to assume if someone is of a minority they are poor...or simply based on someone being white that they are wealthy. It is useful to know what inequalities there are, but its not useful to then point the finger at one specific race and assume anyone with that skin color is a direct contributor to racial inequality and injustice.


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08 Jul 2015, 12:10 pm

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Gen-X says you should worry more about finding a career and becoming a real grown-up.

First off anyone who was literally born on July 5th 1976 to present can fit many of the ranges used to define "millennials".
There is no set definition other than you had to be born after the U.S. Bicentennial, July 4th 1976.
There are 40+ year olds who fit the range which some professionals use to define millennials, as in most if not all of Gen X is also part of the millennials.

It is Baby Boomers who say you have to go to college, find/start a career, buy a house, get married, have kids and own a new car by age 30!
Oh you are supposed to do it all on your own without help from your family and friends aka Bootstraps.

If you're over 27 and haven't accomplished it, then you aren't taking life seriously!
If you are over 30 and haven't accomplished it, then there is something wrong with you.

Oh you should be able to easily do this afford all of this with great ease like they did.
There is something wrong with you if you have student loans in any real degree.

I've been told the boomer speech more times than I can remember, thanks to all the boomers I know.

Gen X said we had to find ourselves and pursue our dreams, while not seeing skin colors and race.


I was born in 1975. I bought my house when i was 29 years old with no help from my parents or anyone else (Alt-A, baby!). Oh, i never went to college. Far as I know i have no children. I've never been married.

Nobody born after 1976 is over 40 years old at this time. I assume you mystyped.

My best advice would be "Have a marketable skill".

No new cars yet, I can't stomach the $6000+ depreciation that happens the moment i accept the keys. I'm a guy who wants a clean car off a 2-year lease.

I'm not sure who told you to follow your dreams. My parents are boomers and told me i should try to do anything i think i can do and want to do. But dad isn't much of an advocate for everyone going to college - in fact as an english professor he hated that.


Well not everyone just up and has a marketable skill...not to mention, much of the time even having a marketable skill is not enough.


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08 Jul 2015, 12:26 pm

Race does exist, for If race doesn't exist, that would mean any two human beings on this planet, should be able to produce offspring of another apparent race, so if a black person marries a black person then they should produce an Asian baby of if a White person and a White person get together, they should produce a Black person, if a Black person and a Chinese person get together, they should produce a Native American person, if a Native American person gets with a Black person, then they should produce a Caucasian person, and that never happens.



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08 Jul 2015, 4:51 pm

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Well not everyone just up and has a marketable skill...not to mention, much of the time even having a marketable skill is not enough.


Exactly, most of the world is stuck in a jobless slow recovery (U.S. unemployment counts underemployed as employed, and the unemployment number are collected from 60,000 citizens at random).
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Race does exist, for If race doesn't exist, that would mean any two human beings on this planet, should be able to produce offspring of another apparent race, so if a black person marries a black person then they should produce an Asian baby of if a White person and a White person get together, they should produce a Black person, if a Black person and a Chinese person get together, they should produce a Native American person, if a Native American person gets with a Black person, then they should produce a Caucasian person, and that never happens.

It has happened that two people of the same skin color/ethnicity have produce off spring of a different skin color.
Plenty of black couples have produced white children.
Some white people have produce black children.
Some Asians have produce non Asians.


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08 Jul 2015, 7:01 pm

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Well, isn't that what well-off people are paying the government to do? After all, they're paying most of the tax money.


A lot of the "feel sorry for these people" topics fail to address one principal: poor people can't afford to have nice stuff.

Poor people live in lesser desired areas. Of course, they are poor.
Poor people have low ranked schools. Of course, they are poor.
Poor people don't have the wealth of rich people. Of course, they are poor.
..... etc.

With black people, just look at the educational achievement statistics compared to other racial groups, and then you know why they generally poorer compared to these other groups.



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08 Jul 2015, 7:27 pm

I served in the military with a gentleman of African ancestry. He told me two things that I should always keep in mind.

1) Do not treat him like a black person.

2) Never forget that he is black.

I think this kind of "Same, but Different" dichotomy runs deep in the "African-American" psyche. On the one hand, they don't want to be treated any differently than anyone else; while on the other hand, they don't want to be thought of as anything other than "African-Americans".

On the gripping hand, I am a middle-aged white man, so what do I know personally about being black?

Not a thing.



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08 Jul 2015, 8:31 pm

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I served in the military with a gentleman of African ancestry. He told me two things that I should always keep in mind.

1) Do not treat him like a black person.

2) Never forget that he is black.

I think this kind of "Same, but Different" dichotomy runs deep in the "African-American" psyche. On the one hand, they don't want to be treated any differently than anyone else; while on the other hand, they don't want to be thought of as anything other than "African-Americans".

On the gripping hand, I am a middle-aged white man, so what do I know personally about being black?

Not a thing.


I get confused by this sort of thing. I can't treat people differently... When people say they can't see color, I definitely can see color, but race is another thing. I can't always figure out what someone's heritage is, even based on their facial structure. Skin color means very little to me, it's more about the facial structure to determine "race," and that doesn't even work very well.
I do know that those who are considered "not white" have systemic racism to fight against (although the Asian groups seem to be highest in all categories?) but I've seen people who identify as black American who have skin the same tone as me, and more European features, but they're considered "definitely not white." The whole idea of treating someone differently based on looks alone has always confused me... And I don't even know the first step to stopping that from happening except by telling people to stop being jerks to others for no reason...


Back on the school idea, I've heard of a voucher system and I think that might be beneficial to our kids because it would force schools to become more competitive in order to attract students. I don't know if there's a perfect system out there, but I think that one could be good.


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08 Jul 2015, 10:52 pm

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And I don't even know the first step to stopping that from happening except by telling people to stop being jerks to others for no reason...:-)


People will be jerks to whoever they choose to. Telling them to stop will only get them to do it more, if only to make the point that they choose, not you.


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09 Jul 2015, 4:35 am

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Gen-X says you should worry more about finding a career and becoming a real grown-up.


I'm Gen X, and I have yet to grow up! :lol:


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09 Jul 2015, 4:38 am

I think so called "color blindness" is just a matter of ignoring the reality of poverty, racism, and crime, rather than asking why those problems exist, and then how to fix them.


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09 Jul 2015, 6:31 am

I can't see racism in any form being the main reason why some racial/ethnic groups fail to adapt to a civilization they didn't evolve into.

The Australian Aboriginals, for example, overwhelmingly aren't yet prepared for a European civilization.

As the dominant culture that can, you help those that can't with services you give to people of your ethnic group that can't adapt (say, autistic people); that's the moral and just thing to do. However, you don't lift them any higher than that if they aren't capable of being lifted higher; that's just silly.

Colorblind is good at the interpersonal level, though.



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09 Jul 2015, 6:54 am

Everyone is racist, no exception.

Embrace it, accept it, learn to recognize it.

It's not wrong. It's not evil. It's how nature kept us alive. Stay with the "herd," avoid "strangers."

The secret is not letting it dictate how you treat people who are different from you.



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09 Jul 2015, 12:18 pm

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Everyone is racist, no exception.

Embrace it, accept it, learn to recognize it.

It's not wrong. It's not evil. It's how nature kept us alive. Stay with the "herd," avoid "strangers."

The secret is not letting it dictate how you treat people who are different from you.

There are ALWAYS exceptions. I understand the irony of the previous statement
A vast majority do fear difference and in most cases it is wrong. I agree with your last sentence


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09 Jul 2015, 1:09 pm

xenocity wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Well not everyone just up and has a marketable skill...not to mention, much of the time even having a marketable skill is not enough.


Exactly, most of the world is stuck in a jobless slow recovery (U.S. unemployment counts underemployed as employed, and the unemployment number are collected from 60,000 citizens at random).
The_Eagle wrote:
Race does exist, for If race doesn't exist, that would mean any two human beings on this planet, should be able to produce offspring of another apparent race, so if a black person marries a black person then they should produce an Asian baby of if a White person and a White person get together, they should produce a Black person, if a Black person and a Chinese person get together, they should produce a Native American person, if a Native American person gets with a Black person, then they should produce a Caucasian person, and that never happens.

It has happened that two people of the same skin color/ethnicity have produce off spring of a different skin color.
Plenty of black couples have produced white children.
Some white people have produce black children.
Some Asians have produce non Asians.
Do you have the evidence to support your claims?



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10 Jul 2015, 9:39 pm

zer0netgain wrote:
Everyone is racist, no exception.

Embrace it, accept it, learn to recognize it.

It's not wrong. It's not evil. It's how nature kept us alive. Stay with the "herd," avoid "strangers."

The secret is not letting it dictate how you treat people who are different from you.


I think there are indeed exceptions to that rule. My family and I cannot treat people differently, whether they be poor, rich, or whatever other race. It's completely illogical and makes absolutely no sense. We're all humans made up of red and white blood cells. We bleed the same, die the same... and yet we're all so completely different. If I were to hate one groups and raise another up, who would I choose and why? It makes no sense.


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