Now people are offended by the term "personality disorder"
The concept of offence is a matter of power.
For all A and B belonging to the set of all people in the world, such that A is more powerful than B, the following statements hold:
• If A says something unpleasant about B, A is right and whatever they say is either a crime committed by B, for which they are to be punished, or a disorder B has, which is to be treated.
• If B says something unpleasant about A, B is offending A. This is either a crime, for which B is to be punished, or a consequence of a disorder B has, which is to be treated.
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There is a world of difference between someone who is a narcissist and someone with narcissistic personality disorder. NPD doesn't mean you just tend to be arrogant and rude. That's simply being an as*hole, not a disorder.
There is a difference between someone who is high strung and given to histrionics and someone with HPD. There is a difference between someone who avoids unpleasantness and drags their feet and someone with APD, and between someone who is dependent on others and someone with DPD.
These personality disorders are much more than just personality traits taken to the extreme. There is underlying pathology and consistent behavior that goes along with it. This isn't the consistent behavior that we think of when we think of somebody with the particular trait. Look these disorders up and you will see what I'm talking about. It is actually very complex and it takes much more than a little observation to come to a diagnosis, unlike saying that someone exhibits certain traits. A disorder is pathology and a trait is habit.
I have a difficult time even believing in personality disorders.
People have been offended by the word ret*d and mental retardation so they renamed that. Even Down's syndrome had been reamed Down's syndrome in 1959. Before that they were called Mongoloid? because of their slanted eyes.
I think conditions have always been renamed. Asperger's used to be called autistic psychopathy and then it was renamed Asperger's syndrome in 1981 by Lorna Wing.
Mental retardation used to be called moron, imbecile, and idiot depending on how low their IQ is and then it was renamed to mental retardation and the other words faded out from the medical field.
Now people are demanding to rename personality disorders.
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Daughter: NT, no diagnoses. Possibly OCD. Is very private about herself.
There is a world of difference between someone who is a narcissist and someone with narcissistic personality disorder. NPD doesn't mean you just tend to be arrogant and rude. That's simply being an as*hole, not a disorder.
There is a difference between someone who is high strung and given to histrionics and someone with HPD. There is a difference between someone who avoids unpleasantness and drags their feet and someone with APD, and between someone who is dependent on others and someone with DPD.
These personality disorders are much more than just personality traits taken to the extreme. There is underlying pathology and consistent behavior that goes along with it. This isn't the consistent behavior that we think of when we think of somebody with the particular trait. Look these disorders up and you will see what I'm talking about. It is actually very complex and it takes much more than a little observation to come to a diagnosis, unlike saying that someone exhibits certain traits. A disorder is pathology and a trait is habit.
I have a difficult time even believing in personality disorders.
Years ago into my twenties I thought doctors came up with labels for people based on their personalities and they did it to make money. I even thought ODD was made up for kids who act out and get violent when they don't get their way and treat people with disrespect and bully them and this was a choice they do so doctors gave it a name. Then someone here pointed out to me that a disorder is when it causes an impairment. Now I wonder where do you draw the line for an impairment. What about willful ignorance or people who are easily offended and get upset over nothing or what about stupidity? Why aren't these conditions? My mom must always read before going to sleep so how is this not an impairment? She may be in a hotel room with other people and she will need the light on. She will go in the bathroom and read. I would call this a difference because she found a solution to her problem so her impairment is not bothering other people with the light she has on because they are trying to sleep.
But I still wonder where do we draw the line for disorders and when something is an impairment. A person may do something that might affect others so who has a disorder? The person that is affecting the other person or the person who is being affected?
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Son: Diagnosed w/anxiety and ADHD. Also academic delayed and ASD lv 1.
Daughter: NT, no diagnoses. Possibly OCD. Is very private about herself.
I can't decide whether I should self-diagnose as having "special needs" or being "gifted."

The DSM is divided into "disorder" and "personality disorders." I agree with Roy Richard Grinker, Ph.D., and Simon Baron-Cohen, Ph.D., when they debated and resolved that the terms "disorder" and "condition" have negative overtones socially, and therefore, Autism Spectrum Disorder should simply revert to "Autism." The only individuals who need to understand the nuanced distinction of "disorders" and "personality disorders" are diagnosticians. For those in the real world, shorter, descriptive terms work better.
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Years ago into my twenties I thought doctors came up with labels for people based on their personalities and they did it to make money. I even thought ODD was made up for kids who act out and get violent when they don't get their way and treat people with disrespect and bully them and this was a choice they do so doctors gave it a name. Then someone here pointed out to me that a disorder is when it causes an impairment. Now I wonder where do you draw the line for an impairment. What about willful ignorance or people who are easily offended and get upset over nothing or what about stupidity? Why aren't these conditions? My mom must always read before going to sleep so how is this not an impairment? She may be in a hotel room with other people and she will need the light on. She will go in the bathroom and read. I would call this a difference because she found a solution to her problem so her impairment is not bothering other people with the light she has on because they are trying to sleep.
But I still wonder where do we draw the line for disorders and when something is an impairment. A person may do something that might affect others so who has a disorder? The person that is affecting the other person or the person who is being affected?
Personality is also a matter of taste. Let's say you know someone who's really quiet and not likely to make waves, just sorta goes with the flow but is loyal and reliable. She doesn't stand up for herself like she should. She's too passive. Some people like that type of personality because they feel threatened by loud, pushy people while others would say, I don't like her because she's always so quiet and never looks out for her own interests. So to someone who likes quiet, shy, passive people she doesn't appear disordered, but to a loud, boisterous, aggressive-type personality, she appears to be too easily victimized by others because she doesn't speak her mind and stand up for herself, while the passive personality will become passive aggressive around the loud, aggressive one who tells it like it is no matter what. When they are unhappy, the just tell the person, "I don't like what you did."
Some people are attracted to Narcissistic Personalities while others are repelled by them. Even the drama of histrionics is appealing to those who get bored easily. Some people gravitate to the emo type personalities.
If you find your personality works against you in too many ways, so that you can't get ahead in life and repel the people who matter most, then it can be a disorder so I guess when this happens is when treatment is sought even though personality disorders are said to be tough to treat because it's something so normal and natural. You have to train people to completely reevaluate their natural responses and think before they talk or take action. Maybe hypnosis could help?
Very little offends me; as i am happy with who i am and have mind and body balance.
Worrying about 'stuff' like 'this' is a symptom of something;
but i for one sure ain't gonna worry about it;
and good luck changing anything
about the DSM committee
from the APA; that actually
has any authority
to change
any of
this;
as that relates to the official diagnoses
of Personality Disorders in DSM5+ labeling.
But the most serious of personality
disorders are those of chemical
imbalances in the brain
AND WIRING; BOTH INNATE
AND ENVIRONMENTAL;
of discomfort
in emotional
regulation;
empathic;
and sensory
integration;
leading to all
kinds of anxiety
IN emotional; SENSORY;
AND empathic
human nature.
'I can cure it simply'; FOR
ROOT CAUSES; BY raising children with affection
and nurturing all day AND NIGHT long;
from ages 0 to 2; and then
let the children dance
free to regulate
their emotions
and integrate
senses from
then on;
and then
we make
human beings
as they are
evolved
to
be;
once again.
Culture and the village
no longer reAlly raises
a free range child;
feed a human
machines
OF
comfort;
instead of
flesh and blood
in movement, and
human emotional,
sensory, empathic
connection with other
humans, and the rest of
Nature; and one gets what
one feeds it;
a cold
heArtless
machine;
with little to
no soul and spirit;
YES; THE ROOT CAUSE.
Others of us spurn that;
and are coming to the
tree of life; instead
of the tree of
knowledge;
alone.
YaY! There is even a theme
song for that; with
a hidden
dancer;
in clothes
of
LOVE.
Love IS A
way; all else;
is truly disorder.
Oh by A way; if one watches the video; and needs a little help with
the visual symbolism; the left path on the highway is the
left turn to the tree of life; also known as LOVE;
the right path on the highway is the right
turn to the tree of knowledge;
of course in this video
the right path
is not
encouraged
over the
LEFT
PATH OF
TRUTH AND LIGHT
IN
LOVE.
ENJOY YOUR
RIDE COMPLETELY,
SUCCESSFULLY; AND
TOTALLY IN SATISFACTION
IN THE MAGIC OF LOVE
OR NOT;
THE WILL
MAY BE
YOURS;
OR NOT;
DEPENDING
ON INNATE
AND ENVIRONMENTAL
STUFF; AS HIGHLIGHTED HERE
BELOW
AND
SO ABOVE;
inside-outside
and ALL AROUND..
I'M ON the left
path
ALWAYS;
with a visit
here to the
right path;
now and then;
as hey; a balance
is still required
of dark
and light
and all
of
that
TRUTH
AND DARK TOO..
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I agree the term should be changed. It isn't that I'm offended by the term, but that I think the term is stigmatizing, which can lead to people hurting others because of a perceived personality disorder or not wanting to associate with a person with traits of a personality disorder.
I don't think personality disorders are necessarily a bad thing; they are just neutral. Calling them disorders, however, implies that they are negative.
While narcissists and antisocials may hurt others, not all of them do. I think that when they decide not to hurt others, it is because they realize that they will be admired more if they help others than they would if they abuse others in the case of narcissists, or because going to prison is not in their best interest in the case of antisocials. I don't think a personality disorder is an excuse to hurt others, as what motivates on person with a personality disorder to hurt others may motivate another not to hurt others.
I would say that I like being around histrionics in small doses, as they are entertaining. However, if I am around them too long, I may get overwhelmed. On the other hand, I have had problems with people with OCPD traits, as I dislike being limited to rigid rules (in fact it has sometimes even hurt me).
Also, as someone who may be schizotypal, I think that part of me is okay. People's reactions to my weirdness is mixed. In fact, it has led to me coming up with ideas others don't. Also, I used to think that my suspiciousness is a problem, but then I tried to repress it and I got taken advantage of other people. But people don't want me to be suspicious for obvious reasons.
Also, people don't like my preference for being alone and seem to think I should socialize as much as possible. However, too much drains me. So, does their disapproval really mean that that is a bad thing?
I don't think personality disorders are necessarily a bad thing; they are just neutral. Calling them disorders, however, implies that they are negative.
While narcissists and antisocials may hurt others, not all of them do. I think that when they decide not to hurt others, it is because they realize that they will be admired more if they help others than they would if they abuse others in the case of narcissists, or because going to prison is not in their best interest in the case of antisocials. I don't think a personality disorder is an excuse to hurt others, as what motivates on person with a personality disorder to hurt others may motivate another not to hurt others.
I think some personality disorders have a well-earned reputation, and people would do well to avoid people who have certain personality disorders.
It may not be their fault that they have that particular mental illness, but being blameless in it doesn't change the fact that some people should probably avoid them.
People with borderline personality disorder can be a very destructive influence on people who do not themselves have a strong, healthy personality, for example.
That sucks for borderline people maybe, but for me and anyone i care about who is at risk from their behavior, they can get better or get lost.
So you're introverted. Some people will be annoyed by that. Nothing you can do about it but explain the situation -- but it doesn't actually hurt them.
I don't think personality disorders are necessarily a bad thing; they are just neutral. Calling them disorders, however, implies that they are negative.
While narcissists and antisocials may hurt others, not all of them do. I think that when they decide not to hurt others, it is because they realize that they will be admired more if they help others than they would if they abuse others in the case of narcissists, or because going to prison is not in their best interest in the case of antisocials. I don't think a personality disorder is an excuse to hurt others, as what motivates on person with a personality disorder to hurt others may motivate another not to hurt others.
I think some personality disorders have a well-earned reputation, and people would do well to avoid people who have certain personality disorders.
It may not be their fault that they have that particular mental illness, but being blameless in it doesn't change the fact that some people should probably avoid them.
People with borderline personality disorder can be a very destructive influence on people who do not themselves have a strong, healthy personality, for example.
That sucks for borderline people maybe, but for me and anyone i care about who is at risk from their behavior, they can get better or get lost.
I think it is true that some people should avoid certain people with certain traits of personality disorders, and how I have to avoid people with certain OCPD traits is an example of that. It is really wanting people to submit to exactly their way of doing things that is a problem. I may be okay with someone with OCPD that doesn't have that trait. I don't think people should avoid someone else just because of a label, though. That may have not been clear in my post.
I believe OCPD is real because I have observed hoarders in action and I attribute it to untreated OCPD.
As for avoiding certain personalities, I think we all do that. We gravitate toward certain ones and are repelled by others. That's normal for humans. No one likes every personality they encounter.
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