I have now decided : The Earth is actually FLAT...!

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14 Sep 2015, 1:56 am

Cockroach96 wrote:
Are you a member of the Flat Earth Society, or are you just sarcastic?

One doesn't necessarily exclude the other.



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14 Sep 2015, 11:13 am

I'm going to go with Christopher Columbus and scientists on this and say the earth is round.



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14 Sep 2015, 1:24 pm

What then ever happened to going with Scientific-Experiments & Verifying things for Ourselves ?

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I'm going to go with Christopher Columbus and scientists on this and say the earth is round.

One Scenario : A series of powerful laser-beams could be set to shine from the East-Coast of America all the way across the Atlantic-Ocean. The deepest point of any Ocean is only around 7 miles down so it would not be impossible to have various rigs set up across the sea in series with the lasers aligned via levels so that we ensure an accurately straight-line. The result would determine whether or not, conclusively, that the Earth is either flat or Globular. Reaching all the way to the West-Coast of Europe, even after going in a Straight-Line from the East-Coast of America would mean that it's actually flat, but if the Laser-Beam deviates from the height of the water & starts going up before even reaching the middle-part of the Atlantic, then such a deviation would indicate an actual curvature of the planet.

Not to mention the fact that, for which-ever reason, lots of people are questioning globe-earth lately, for reasons that are quite compelling, although a lot of globular-earthists have repeated what they have either read out of a book or were taught in school, without bothering to investigate this flat-earth phenomenon, like as-if though they think that flat-earthers somehow never went to the same schools (I know I did [clarification : I went to some of the same schools]), and are somehow uneducated (even though it's more like we just cannot buy into the propaganda that's disemminated in schools since they seem to want us to believe that economic-polices just somehow always last for the exact duration of presidential election-cycles and are somehow either 4 or 8 or maybe even 12-year effects whilst some policies take effect upon the economy immediately whilst others do not take effect until 4 or 8 years after presidential-approval [yeah like as-if I'm going to buy into that pseudo-scientific nonsense that was taught in my college-economics]), and I, personally, prefer to go with the Scientific-Experiment method, rather than repeating out of books that were authored by people/personalities who claimed that they are so-called scientists (because as a former entrepreneur/marketer, I know that if you want to generate sales with an American-audience, you convince them that your product was written & approved by a doctor, even if all you did was hire some guy to dress up in a white lab-coat, sales-pitching that this guy recommended you buy my business' products !).


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14 Sep 2015, 1:32 pm

I prefer the personal observation approach. I haven't fell off the earth, so it is obviously flat.


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14 Sep 2015, 2:12 pm

So...where are the edges of this "flat" Earth we live on?

Where do I go to look over the edge?

And what kind of view would I have?



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14 Sep 2015, 2:23 pm

An Earth with a negative Gaussian curvature would be far more interesting.



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14 Sep 2015, 2:26 pm

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So...where are the edges of this "flat" Earth we live on?

Where do I go to look over the edge?

And what kind of view would I have?

Uh, I was being sarcastic. :roll:


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14 Sep 2015, 2:28 pm

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An Earth with a negative Gaussian curvature would be far more interesting.

Think of how much easier it would make air travel ( shorter distance from Point A to Point B ).


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14 Sep 2015, 2:41 pm

glebel wrote:
eric76 wrote:
An Earth with a negative Gaussian curvature would be far more interesting.

Think of how much easier it would make air travel ( shorter distance from Point A to Point B ).


That would depend on the selection of the two points to travel between.

Another that would be interesting would be a torus (donut shape). It would also be finite which solves a few problems of a negative Gaussian curvature Earth.



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14 Sep 2015, 2:42 pm

Ban-Dodger wrote:
What then ever happened to going with Scientific-Experiments & Verifying things for Ourselves ?
Butterfly88 wrote:
I'm going to go with Christopher Columbus and scientists on this and say the earth is round.

One Scenario : A series of powerful laser-beams could be set to shine from the East-Coast of America all the way across the Atlantic-Ocean. The deepest point of any Ocean is only around 7 miles down so it would not be impossible to have various rigs set up across the sea in series with the lasers aligned via levels so that we ensure an accurately straight-line. The result would determine whether or not, conclusively, that the Earth is either flat or Globular. Reaching all the way to the West-Coast of Europe, even after going in a Straight-Line from the East-Coast of America would mean that it's actually flat, but if the Laser-Beam deviates from the height of the water & starts going up before even reaching the middle-part of the Atlantic, then such a deviation would indicate an actual curvature of the planet.

Not to mention the fact that, for which-ever reason, lots of people are questioning globe-earth lately, for reasons that are quite compelling, although a lot of globular-earthists have repeated what they have either read out of a book or were taught in school, without bothering to investigate this flat-earth phenomenon, like as-if though they think that flat-earthers somehow never went to the same schools (I know I did [clarification : I went to some of the same schools]), and are somehow uneducated (even though it's more like we just cannot buy into the propaganda that's disemminated in schools since they seem to want us to believe that economic-polices just somehow always last for the exact duration of presidential election-cycles and are somehow either 4 or 8 or maybe even 12-year effects whilst some policies take effect upon the economy immediately whilst others do not take effect until 4 or 8 years after presidential-approval [yeah like as-if I'm going to buy into that pseudo-scientific nonsense that was taught in my college-economics]), and I, personally, prefer to go with the Scientific-Experiment method, rather than repeating out of books that were authored by people/personalities who claimed that they are so-called scientists (because as a former entrepreneur/marketer, I know that if you want to generate sales with an American-audience, you convince them that your product was written & approved by a doctor, even if all you did was hire some guy to dress up in a white lab-coat, sales-pitching that this guy recommended you buy my business' products !).

As much as science go the question has been settled since the Antiquity; experiments and observations do show that the Earth is round. Also a flat Earth wouldn't explain things like seeing different constellations from the North and South hemispheres or that days and nights duration are different depending on the latitude and time of the year.



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14 Sep 2015, 2:45 pm

eric76 wrote:
Another that would be interesting would be a torus (donut shape). It would also be finite which solves a few problems of a negative Gaussian curvature Earth.

Like JRPGs games



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14 Sep 2015, 5:18 pm

Wait, what are these experiments, and are there more modern-day experiments with more modern-day equipment available to demonstrate even greater levels of accuracy ?

Tollorin wrote:
As much as science go the question has been settled since the Antiquity; experiments and observations do show that the Earth is round. Also a flat Earth wouldn't explain things like seeing different constellations from the North and South hemispheres or that days and nights duration are different depending on the latitude and time of the year.

Also, according to someone who's observed the stars since she was little, here is what she says...
Gloria Jean wrote:
Lately its been hard to see any stars for some reason... but all my life I have seen the same stars, same big dipper etc. both winter and summer spinning around the same north pole star. That is not possible if you are using the spinning ball hypothesis of the earth orbiting the sun. Not to mention that the sun itself is traveling through the galaxy. �*Yet... same stars we see year after year month after month. Not possible.

Let us also look at some time-lapse footage from CALIFORNIA (not even from the North-Pole)...

Now to address the next question based on the information I have gathered...
naturalplastic wrote:
So...where are the edges of this "flat" Earth we live on?

Where do I go to look over the edge?

And what kind of view would I have?

Here is a theory behind what MAY explain the Flat-Earth models...
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14 Sep 2015, 6:23 pm

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What exactly would be gained by convincing billions of people that the earth is a different shape from what it really is.

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The same reason for convincing billions of people that we evolved, would be hard to convince people there is no God if it turns out we are living in a giant version of "The Truman Show" with a big dome above us.
I started looking into this when I was in the open sea and decided to line up the ships flat rail with the horizon and wondered why I couldn't detect a curve.
I am still hung up about the way the stars in the southern hemisphere spin the other way and the 24 hour days at Antarctica, but have discovered lots of interesting things that do support a flat earth, why nobody has ever crossed from one side of Antarctica to the other for instance, why all the nations co-operate to ensure it is a forbidden zone, why flights from Australia to South America all seem to have to go across the Equator first.

I though it interesting in view of the Biblical belief in a "Firmament" or dome covering us, that the high altitude nuclear bomb tests were called "Operation Fishbowl" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Fishbowl and wondered why they felt the need to try and explode at six miles high, perhaps they wanted to break out.

What I am more convinced of however, is that the Sun is not 94 million miles away at all.
Here are films of clouds seen behind the sun and the moon.



The Dogcam film shows a hotspot right underneath the sun on top of the clouds, how would this be possible if the sun was so far away? You will notice the curve of the Earth in the following film, sometimes concave, sometimes convex showing the way a fisheye lens makes the world look curved.



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14 Sep 2015, 6:50 pm

For those who believe that the Earth is flat, do you also believe that the Moon and Sun are flat?



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14 Sep 2015, 8:20 pm

Ban-Dodger wrote:
Wait, what are these experiments, and are there more modern-day experiments with more modern-day equipment available to demonstrate even greater levels of accuracy ?

Earth spheric shape can be deduced by observing sailing ships; as they going away the hull is the first part going out of sight followed by the sail. Also the shadow of the Earth can be seen during a lunar eclipse; it's circular.
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Eratosthenes has been able to calculate the Earth diameter thanks to the observation that at noon during summer solstice the sun lighted directly the bottom of a deep well in a town in the south of Egypt while it formed a shadow from a obelisk in Alexandria; shadow that was forming a angle of 7 degree from the vertical.

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Also, according to someone who's observed the stars since she was little, here is what she says...
Gloria Jean wrote:
Lately its been hard to see any stars for some reason... but all my life I have seen the same stars, same big dipper etc. both winter and summer spinning around the same north pole star. That is not possible if you are using the spinning ball hypothesis of the earth orbiting the sun. Not to mention that the sun itself is traveling through the galaxy. �*Yet... same stars we see year after year month after month. Not possible.

I don't know much about constellations mapping, but I observed personally that we can't see the Orion belt during summer while we can see it during winter; at least for the night hours when most peoples are awakes. I never observed the southern cross either, it's not like it can be seen in southern Québec. Also the pole star can be seen all year long on most places of the northern hemisphere; but it's pretty close of the horizon near the equator. As for the stars that should changing as we travel through the Galaxy, well they do, but on a scale of time that make the changes insignificant during a human lifetime.

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Let us also look at some time-lapse footage from CALIFORNIA (not even from the North-Pole)...

Of course it's not from the North Pole, if it was from the North Pole the point of rotation would be directly overhead.

Ban-Dodger wrote:
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How is that even making sense from a flat-earth perspective!? If the Earth is flat the sun should light the whole planet, wherever it is above it.

Nambo wrote:
I started looking into this when I was in the open sea and decided to line up the ships flat rail with the horizon and wondered why I couldn't detect a curve.

The Earth is pretty big, which mean the curving is very subtle.

Nambo wrote:
why nobody has ever crossed from one side of Antarctica to the other for instance

Some did. A french-canadian did it last winter for example.

Nambo wrote:
why all the nations co-operate to ensure it is a forbidden zone

Because exploiting for resources there would be costly and is of little economical or strategical value, thus ensuring that scientists got the last word on is what happening there, as they are the only that care.

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why flights from Australia to South America all seem to have to go across the Equator first.
Because the Earth is a sphere the the shortest ways appear as curves on a map.

Nambo wrote:
What I am more convinced of however, is that the Sun is not 94 million miles away at all.
Here are films of clouds seen behind the sun and the moon.


The sun is bright and thus light clouds don't appear to "cloud" it. They really do travel in front of the Sun.

Nambo wrote:
The Dogcam film shows a hotspot right underneath the sun on top of the clouds, how would this be possible if the sun was so far away? You will notice the curve of the Earth in the following film, sometimes concave, sometimes convex showing the way a fisheye lens makes the world look curved.

I'm not sure what you getting at there.



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14 Sep 2015, 8:29 pm

*face palm*No, just no, the Earth is round and there are ten reasons why and proving this, we live in 2015 not 1492!


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