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12 Sep 2015, 9:04 pm

Political correctness is bound to backfire.



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13 Sep 2015, 11:17 am

You cant call someone a c**t when they are acting like one but yet they can call you prick.


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13 Sep 2015, 11:30 am

Grebels wrote:
Lots of good replies here, thanks.

I wonder how many people here have had lives plagued by political correctness.



Political correctness plagues everyone's life. It has nothing to do with caring about other people's feelings, it's all about boosting its users' opinion of themselves.

Courtesy and natural good manners make it perfectly possible to be sensitive towards all living creatures, to empathise with their point of view, without consulting a PC handbook before we say or do anything.



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13 Sep 2015, 11:33 am

AspieOtaku wrote:
You cant call someone a c**t when they are acting like one but yet they can call you prick.


Yes, that annoys me too. Apparently it's completely acceptable to use any of the slang words for male genitalia, but a hanging offence to say 'c**t - which is so wonderfully expressive.

Pure hypocrisy.



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13 Sep 2015, 4:06 pm

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I always say the worst form of advocacy is one that makes people feel like they are treading on egg shells. You will turn people off your cause, and turn your supporters into neurotics.


If the people pushing PC really want others to understand their cause, then you might be right.

But the people pushing PC just want power over others, then turning others into neurotics who doubt their own senses or who are frightened to speak is evidence that PC works.

Once you understand which supposedly 'oppressed group' have really spearheaded PC in the West you'll understand how successful it has been. I could say more but my post would probably just get removed.



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13 Sep 2015, 4:28 pm

Rollo wrote:
Once you understand which supposedly 'oppressed group' have really spearheaded PC in the West you'll understand how successful it has been. I could say more but my post would probably just get removed.


I simply don't agree with you on who you think that is or how it works.

I think that is majorly simplistic and I hate simplistic "base logic" thinking. Quite frankly I think it shows a lack of perspective of various competing forces in the world. It is a cop-out to attribute the stuff you don't to one boogie man.

I defend no one wholeheartedly heatedly on the contrary I challenge most things, in fact I base my many of my views are based on behaviour. Most of these conspiracies fail precisely becuase of human nature and self-interest not because of it.

Your views are also indicative also quite a common logical fallacy called "reduction fallacy." E.g. People lung cancer have yellow teeth, therefore yellow teeth causes cancer.



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13 Sep 2015, 5:50 pm

I come down in the "just being considerate" camp, although of course sometimes it seems to go beyond that. We should of course try to understand the power of our words.

Is there anything Rollo won't try to pin on the evul Jews? :duh:

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being PC, when not taken to extremes, is just being considerate.


This.

Its only been in the last few years that PC has vaulted to this hyper level that it is now. Gone from the decades of "You can't say the N word unless you're Black"(which I have no problem with) to "you cant say 'dwarf', and you can't say 'male', or 'female'".

In fairness to the (admittedly seemingly ridiculous) "no using 'male' or 'female'", that was used in quite a specific context of a trans studies class or something.



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14 Sep 2015, 4:18 pm

Let me rewrite that so it is not mangled by executive dysfunction:

Rollo wrote:
Once you understand which supposedly 'oppressed group' have really spearheaded PC in the West you'll understand how successful it has been. I could say more but my post would probably just get removed.


I simply don't agree with you, on your premise.

Such a premise is majorly simplistic and I hate simplistic "base logic" thinking. Quite frankly it shows a lack of perspective of the various competing forces in the world. It is a cop-out to attribute the stuff you don't like to one boogie man.

I defend no one wholeheartedly, on the contrary I challenge most things. In fact many of my views are based on animal behaviour. Most of these conspiracies fail precisely becuase of human nature and self-interest not because of it.

Your views are also indicative of a common logical fallacy called "reduction fallacy." E.g. People lung cancer have yellow teeth, therefore yellow teeth causes cancer.



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15 Sep 2015, 1:07 am

Political correctness is in essence nothing more than societal groupthink. It serves the same function as sectarianism in the form of creating obedient conformity within cultures dominated by non-religious collectivism. Members of this cult are extremely sensitive to cognitive dissonance.



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15 Sep 2015, 6:09 am

I wonder if some PC is really a journalist desperate to meet a deadline with a story. They can make a mountain out of a molehill.



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16 Sep 2015, 5:41 am

What cannot be said about one, can be said about any.

The Hairless Ground ape smells bad, and almost all of it's actions are sexually driven.

Their social life is spent trying to reach an equality of dumbness.

They are motivated by shiny objects and theft.

They fear any actions outside of their species norms, because if accepted it will become required for all.

Lacking self restraint, they depend on group restraint, hoping it will prevent divergent evolution.

With a claimed intent to protect all forms of base behavior, their real intent is to prevent higher standards of behavior.

Alexander the Great noticed, he said, "He who would subdue or surpass mankind, must look down upon their wrath."

In a lowest common denominator system, the denominator is, it has a hole in it's bottom.



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23 Sep 2015, 12:50 pm

There's a reason it's called "politically correct" and not simply "correct". And a reason why the label is "politically".

Nearly every time if not every time I see anything that is labelled politically correct, I see it as something that if you don't do the thing that is "politically correct", it will offend some people and potentially result in resistance from those people, rather than something that is the right thing to do. Just try it on anything considered politically correct. Ask yourself is it the right thing to do or simply something to do to avoid offending people and potentially getting trouble from those people? That is not a good enough reason to do or not do something. No matter who you are or what you stand for, there will always be someone somewhere in the World who thinks you're scum because of that. The political part is because politicians want to sweep up as many votes as possible, thus think being politically correct will stop them from losing votes. But this results in politicians with no conviction and no backbone.

Political correctness is a scourge that more and more people seem to just be caving in to.



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23 Sep 2015, 1:18 pm

Well, I find it weird how we're not supposed to say Merry Christmas because of the fear that it is offensive to those who aren't Christian, yet people still use words like r*****ed to refer to people with special needs. Why can't that be fixed?


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24 Sep 2015, 12:08 pm

One time at a store I asked if a clerk was available.

The word clerk apparently has a negative connotation, and I was corrected, and told "No. The executive customer account representative is not available".

Starbucks calls them barristas.

The word clerk has been lost to PC.



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25 Sep 2015, 5:36 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
One time at a store I asked if a clerk was available.

The word clerk apparently has a negative connotation, and I was corrected, and told "No. The executive customer account representative is not available".

Starbucks calls them barristas.

The word clerk has been lost to PC.

You have misunderstood.

It has nothing to do with negative connotations or offensiveness. A clerk is an administrative role. Law clerks and court clerks are very prestigious positions, for example. I am sure you'd also be corrected if you walked into Starbucks and asked to speak to the firefighter, the president, or the doctor. "Barista" is just what you call someone who works in a coffee shop, not a new-fangled politically-correct anti-offence word.

"Executive customer account representative" sounds like a jumped up job title to make someone sound more important than they are, but that's not political correctness, it's corporate speak.



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25 Sep 2015, 9:46 am

The_Walrus wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
One time at a store I asked if a clerk was available.

The word clerk apparently has a negative connotation, and I was corrected, and told "No. The executive customer account representative is not available".

Starbucks calls them barristas.

The word clerk has been lost to PC.

You have misunderstood.

It has nothing to do with negative connotations or offensiveness. A clerk is an administrative role. Law clerks and court clerks are very prestigious positions, for example. I am sure you'd also be corrected if you walked into Starbucks and asked to speak to the firefighter, the president, or the doctor. "Barista" is just what you call someone who works in a coffee shop, not a new-fangled politically-correct anti-offence word.

In the US, a "clerk" can also be a generic term for someone who works behind a retail store counter.

There is a movie called "clerks" about such people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerks