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23 Sep 2015, 11:58 pm

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OK, I understand that, but what is it that makes conservative ideas more "bad" than liberal ideas?


Liberal ideas are about scheming of ways to take money from people.

Conservatives are considered "bad", because they want to keep their money.


lol I couldn't agree more. Nothing cracks me up more than my friends who are liberal, feel we should all pay more to help others, yet they make 3-4 times what my husband makes, don't have a special needs child whom they pay all therapies for, live in gated communities, their kids go to private schools and fly all over the world first class...but somehow, I am mean for not wanting to give up more than the 33% income tax we already pay on a 70K salary, with electricity being 28 cents per KWH and a sales tax of 11.5%...and that's just the beginning lol


But doesn't your special needs child benefit from taxation which pays for special education? I certainly know it does with my daughter, who has been diagnosed with autism.


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24 Sep 2015, 9:31 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
whatamess wrote:
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OK, I understand that, but what is it that makes conservative ideas more "bad" than liberal ideas?


Liberal ideas are about scheming of ways to take money from people.

Conservatives are considered "bad", because they want to keep their money.


lol I couldn't agree more. Nothing cracks me up more than my friends who are liberal, feel we should all pay more to help others, yet they make 3-4 times what my husband makes, don't have a special needs child whom they pay all therapies for, live in gated communities, their kids go to private schools and fly all over the world first class...but somehow, I am mean for not wanting to give up more than the 33% income tax we already pay on a 70K salary, with electricity being 28 cents per KWH and a sales tax of 11.5%...and that's just the beginning lol


But doesn't your special needs child benefit from taxation which pays for special education? I certainly know it does with my daughter, who has been diagnosed with autism.


Most people would be much better off paying for the services directly, rather than paying for them through taxes.

Paraphrasing Harry Browne, Liberals first break your leg, then give you crutch , and say "see, where would you be without me"?



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24 Sep 2015, 10:45 am

The whole concept of " Conservatives are greed heads, and Liberals are altruistic angels" is a crock. The idea that government can do anything, particularly charity, better than private organizations is also a crock. Many conservatives, such as myself, are not rich, don't ever want to be rich, and won't ever be rich. We are conservatives because we have a set of values that lead us to the conclusion that we should do what ever we can do for ourselves. Liberalism, on the other hand, seems to me to consist of people on the one hand who want something for nothing, and on the other hand of a select minority who take resources (water, money, etc.) from people so that they can give it back to them.


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24 Sep 2015, 3:37 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
whatamess wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
K_Kelly wrote:
OK, I understand that, but what is it that makes conservative ideas more "bad" than liberal ideas?


Liberal ideas are about scheming of ways to take money from people.

Conservatives are considered "bad", because they want to keep their money.


lol I couldn't agree more. Nothing cracks me up more than my friends who are liberal, feel we should all pay more to help others, yet they make 3-4 times what my husband makes, don't have a special needs child whom they pay all therapies for, live in gated communities, their kids go to private schools and fly all over the world first class...but somehow, I am mean for not wanting to give up more than the 33% income tax we already pay on a 70K salary, with electricity being 28 cents per KWH and a sales tax of 11.5%...and that's just the beginning lol


But doesn't your special needs child benefit from taxation which pays for special education? I certainly know it does with my daughter, who has been diagnosed with autism.


Most people would be much better off paying for the services directly, rather than paying for them through taxes.

Paraphrasing Harry Browne, Liberals first break your leg, then give you crutch , and say "see, where would you be without me"?


I couldn't pay for my daughter's special education, and so without it she would have languished in a mainstreamed class without learning anything.
No one broke my daughter's leg to give her "a crutch;" she was born with autism. Unless the government giving kids autism is somehow a new right wing conspiracy theory.


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24 Sep 2015, 3:44 pm

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The whole concept of " Conservatives are greed heads, and Liberals are altruistic angels" is a crock. The idea that government can do anything, particularly charity, better than private organizations is also a crock. Many conservatives, such as myself, are not rich, don't ever want to be rich, and won't ever be rich. We are conservatives because we have a set of values that lead us to the conclusion that we should do what ever we can do for ourselves. Liberalism, on the other hand, seems to me to consist of people on the one hand who want something for nothing, and on the other hand of a select minority who take resources (water, money, etc.) from people so that they can give it back to them.


Well, good for you that you're able to get by on your own.
But as for the notion that "conservatives are greed heads, and liberals are altruistic angels is a crock" - I've heard plenty of conservatives say that poor people are poor only because of the choices they make - as if that should disqualify anyone from getting help. Worse, I've heard conservatives say people who are needy or disabled, or who can't take take of their or their family's needs, should just die. Now, I'm not accusing you of that sort of hardheartedness; but the thing is, I've heard few conservatives condemn that ugly, dismissive talk.


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24 Sep 2015, 4:55 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
whatamess wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
K_Kelly wrote:
OK, I understand that, but what is it that makes conservative ideas more "bad" than liberal ideas?


Liberal ideas are about scheming of ways to take money from people.

Conservatives are considered "bad", because they want to keep their money.


lol I couldn't agree more. Nothing cracks me up more than my friends who are liberal, feel we should all pay more to help others, yet they make 3-4 times what my husband makes, don't have a special needs child whom they pay all therapies for, live in gated communities, their kids go to private schools and fly all over the world first class...but somehow, I am mean for not wanting to give up more than the 33% income tax we already pay on a 70K salary, with electricity being 28 cents per KWH and a sales tax of 11.5%...and that's just the beginning lol


But doesn't your special needs child benefit from taxation which pays for special education? I certainly know it does with my daughter, who has been diagnosed with autism.


Most people would be much better off paying for the services directly, rather than paying for them through taxes.

Paraphrasing Harry Browne, Liberals first break your leg, then give you crutch , and say "see, where would you be without me"?


I couldn't pay for my daughter's special education, and so without it she would have languished in a mainstreamed class without learning anything.


You should be a fan of school vouchers then? You could use that voucher to get a her into a supremely better program than the public special-ed programs?



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24 Sep 2015, 5:17 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
whatamess wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
K_Kelly wrote:
OK, I understand that, but what is it that makes conservative ideas more "bad" than liberal ideas?


Liberal ideas are about scheming of ways to take money from people.

Conservatives are considered "bad", because they want to keep their money.


lol I couldn't agree more. Nothing cracks me up more than my friends who are liberal, feel we should all pay more to help others, yet they make 3-4 times what my husband makes, don't have a special needs child whom they pay all therapies for, live in gated communities, their kids go to private schools and fly all over the world first class...but somehow, I am mean for not wanting to give up more than the 33% income tax we already pay on a 70K salary, with electricity being 28 cents per KWH and a sales tax of 11.5%...and that's just the beginning lol


But doesn't your special needs child benefit from taxation which pays for special education? I certainly know it does with my daughter, who has been diagnosed with autism.


Most people would be much better off paying for the services directly, rather than paying for them through taxes.

Paraphrasing Harry Browne, Liberals first break your leg, then give you crutch , and say "see, where would you be without me"?


I couldn't pay for my daughter's special education, and so without it she would have languished in a mainstreamed class without learning anything.


You should be a fan of school vouchers then? You could use that voucher to get a her into a supremely better program than the public special-ed programs?


I honestly don't know a thing about vouchers, and my wife and I are happy so far with the public school special ed.


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24 Sep 2015, 5:36 pm

If anything, criticizing left-wing policies is greatly preferred over the snark and ad-hom attacks that currently pass for political discourse.



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24 Sep 2015, 6:45 pm

Try having a serious discussion about socialism or communism in America, and then come back and tell me again that its left wing ideas that can't be criticized.

The right has become very good at playing the victim. At this very moment they'd have us believe that they're fighting a War on Christianity / Christmas, their religious freedoms are under attack, the gay lifestyle is being shoved down their throats, etc. etc. etc. and all of this is either outright untrue, or exaggerated to the point of absurdity. And now, apparently, based on the first post n this thread, their freedom of speech is being threatened too.