Putin has checkmated Obama in Syria
Indeed. Russia has a naval base in Tartus which would be compromised if Assad is defeated. They have been busy deploying air defense since the arrival. Only NATO poses an aerial threat.
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But the US supports ISIS...
Yet Russian warplanes are hitting all Anti-Assad rebels except ISIS; while ISIS is supposed to be the biggest threat - you didn't wonder why?
http://www.newsweek.com/how-syrias-assa ... sis-255631
I don't recall ISIS ever attacking Assad. Isn't it true that ISIS holds a grudge against many of those who are fighting Assad? He has been buying oil from them, and isn't it also true that the so-called Islamic State is awash with Russian weaponry? The real question is why Russia is trying to stop Western air raids against ISIS.
You are misinformed. ISIS have attacked Assad and vice versa. Theologically they are opposed.
Assad is Alawite, which is closer to Shia. ISIS considers them to be Kafir.
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But the US supports ISIS...
Yet Russian warplanes are hitting all Anti-Assad rebels except ISIS; while ISIS is supposed to be the biggest threat - you didn't wonder why?
http://www.newsweek.com/how-syrias-assa ... sis-255631
The anti-Assad rebels are literally al-Qaeda, al-Nusra Front is the only other significant fighting force in Syria besides ISIS and the Kurds. The are no mythical moderates, the dozen of so that we trained had their weapons confiscated by al-Nusra almost the second they entered Syria. I should mention that our so called ally and NATO partner Turkey has been bombing extensively bombing the Kurds instead of ISIS as well as being the main port of entry for these foreign insurgents not to forget their direct cooperation with ISIS leadership. Essentially the Kurds, Assad, Iran, Hezbollah, and Russia are fighting an all out war against western backed jihadists. Assad is the legitimate leader of Syria, there is no alternative and it isn't our place to try to force regime change against leaders that don't fit our strategic interest which would still be wrong in this case since Assad is the best strategic ally in terms of keeping us safe and defeating the type of people that attacked us on 9/11 + killed our soldiers for years in Iraq. Russia should bomb every rebel not waving a Syrian or Kurdish flag because there is no scenario in which a liberal Western democracy comes out of this if these "rebels" were ever to be able to overthrow Assad. Sisi has killed hundreds of civilians, Salafis but still people, but nobody is calling for his ouster? Far more people than Gaddafi or Assad or even Mubarak. Lets not even get started on Saudi Arabia, the real enemy of the United States,
The US has zero moral high ground in this conflict, we need to take a step back and look at the consequences of our actions. We're our own worst enemy and maybe that's by design. This civil war doesn't happen with the west facilitating it,
Russia started with the closest ones, who the CIA had supplied TOW anti tank weapons.
Before they got surface to air, they got blown up, and the real difference, the Syrian Arab Army followed up on the ground.
Almost everyone lives near the coast, and most of that ground is government controlled. Homs is secure, the air strikes were to towns on the north edge. Pushing back the terrorists, taking the ground, drives them into desert and open country.
Russians have better intelligence, and better weapons. They have Syrian on the ground intel, electronic intercept, and satellite updates. They can follow one man walking across town. They have been mapping supply lines, warehouses, for months.
The same computers that send you targeted ads are updating the location of most terrorists in real time. Watch a building from space, track everyone who comes and goes, where they came from and where they go, and there are no safe houses.
The ISIS Depot that was hit was a big explosion, all around were smaller that took out single houses where terrorists lived. It is like blowing up a factory, and the homes of the management, and the homes of the workers, all at the same time.
ISIS does not grocery shop, a truck brings supplies, and Russia has been watching it's route for months. They cannot hide, the computer says there are nine men in that house, they cannot leave, Russia uses thermal vision at night, drones, and they cannot resupply, as the truck is being watched. Trucks make pickups at warehouses, that are supplied from bases in Turkey.
Blowing up the Depot and staff leaves a hole in their supply line, now they have to move in reinforcements. Some from the source of supply, others from down stream. Lots of activity to watch, track, and blow up.
Russia's stated goal, that none of the Russian speakers, or those from the Stans, live to return home.
What disturbs me is that Russia is once again making moves into the Mediterranean area, as they have been trying to do for at least 150 years. This is just the next phase in the Great Game.
+1
I mean, we're on our second coke-headed president in a row, so is this really a surprise?
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Ramzan Kadyrov, the leader of Chechnya and something of a warlord himself, wants to send in Russian Muslim ground troops to Syria to combat the Jihadists. Russia isn't stupid, a good portion of ISIS insurgents come from the Caucasus and it makes more sense to kill them in Syria without having to worry about the consequences in their own country. I definitely trust Russian intelligence a lot more than I do US intelligence, Russia is there on the ground with real allies whereas the US seems to like to pick and choose its intelligence from Facebook and Twitter posts. Complete joke. It's pretty hilarious that Russia somehow gets painted as the belligerent in all of this, the US is as arrogant of a superpower possible. The US and Russia should forge a much closer relationship, it is still the most important bilateral relationship in the world and it is a the best hope for mankind.
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Before they got surface to air, they got blown up, and the real difference, the Syrian Arab Army followed up on the ground.
Almost everyone lives near the coast, and most of that ground is government controlled. Homs is secure, the air strikes were to towns on the north edge. Pushing back the terrorists, taking the ground, drives them into desert and open country.
Russians have better intelligence, and better weapons. They have Syrian on the ground intel, electronic intercept, and satellite updates. They can follow one man walking across town. They have been mapping supply lines, warehouses, for months.
The same computers that send you targeted ads are updating the location of most terrorists in real time. Watch a building from space, track everyone who comes and goes, where they came from and where they go, and there are no safe houses.
The ISIS Depot that was hit was a big explosion, all around were smaller that took out single houses where terrorists lived. It is like blowing up a factory, and the homes of the management, and the homes of the workers, all at the same time.
ISIS does not grocery shop, a truck brings supplies, and Russia has been watching it's route for months. They cannot hide, the computer says there are nine men in that house, they cannot leave, Russia uses thermal vision at night, drones, and they cannot resupply, as the truck is being watched. Trucks make pickups at warehouses, that are supplied from bases in Turkey.
Blowing up the Depot and staff leaves a hole in their supply line, now they have to move in reinforcements. Some from the source of supply, others from down stream. Lots of activity to watch, track, and blow up.
Russia's stated goal, that none of the Russian speakers, or those from the Stans, live to return home.
I am not saying other rebels are better, but I doubt it's an ISIS depot, there's no presence of ISIS in idlib.
ISIS presence starts about 200 kilometers from there as far as I know.
Either way, you talk details of the operation as if you were sitting with the Russian command.
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The government of Iraq has invited the Russians to bomb Iraq.
When the US refused to sell them planes, before ISIS invaded, the Russians got them a deal on reconditioned planes and choppers from Belarus.
When ISIS was almost at the city limits of Baghdad, it was Iran who came to their aid, stopped ISIS, gained ground back, then the Americans showed up and said they are in charge, and ISIS has not lost any ground since.
Russia says they are supplying the Kurds with arms. The pipeline right of way is clear.
Mosul has to fall.
In other news, Turkey has 25% Alwadi, lots of Kurds, And Armenians. Russia also support Armenia, and has a base there. The current government has been going hard core Islamic stupid. You know there is Saudi payola involved.
Split the Turkish vote, Russia's friends could take the election.
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Before they got surface to air, they got blown up, and the real difference, the Syrian Arab Army followed up on the ground.
Almost everyone lives near the coast, and most of that ground is government controlled. Homs is secure, the air strikes were to towns on the north edge. Pushing back the terrorists, taking the ground, drives them into desert and open country.
Russians have better intelligence, and better weapons. They have Syrian on the ground intel, electronic intercept, and satellite updates. They can follow one man walking across town. They have been mapping supply lines, warehouses, for months.
The same computers that send you targeted ads are updating the location of most terrorists in real time. Watch a building from space, track everyone who comes and goes, where they came from and where they go, and there are no safe houses.
The ISIS Depot that was hit was a big explosion, all around were smaller that took out single houses where terrorists lived. It is like blowing up a factory, and the homes of the management, and the homes of the workers, all at the same time.
ISIS does not grocery shop, a truck brings supplies, and Russia has been watching it's route for months. They cannot hide, the computer says there are nine men in that house, they cannot leave, Russia uses thermal vision at night, drones, and they cannot resupply, as the truck is being watched. Trucks make pickups at warehouses, that are supplied from bases in Turkey.
Blowing up the Depot and staff leaves a hole in their supply line, now they have to move in reinforcements. Some from the source of supply, others from down stream. Lots of activity to watch, track, and blow up.
Russia's stated goal, that none of the Russian speakers, or those from the Stans, live to return home.
I am not saying other rebels are better, but I doubt it's an ISIS depot, there's no presence of ISIS in idlib.
ISIS presence starts about 200 kilometers from there as far as I know.
Either way, you talk details of the operation as if you were sitting with the Russian command.
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There is no discernible difference between ISIS and al-Nusra despite what some dumb wayward neocons are fantasizing about. These sociopaths actually want us to support al-Qaeda and the Taliban in their "fight" against ISIS, seriously. Like I said, Russia should bomb everywhere not waving a Syrian or Kurdish flag. There shouldn't be a black banner with the squiggly lines left standing by Russia. Syria has no future without Assad, removing him would make the situation nightmarishly worse. Are you Sunni or Shia? ISIS and al-Nusra would like to know.
Russia should preemptively bomb any of those "vetted moderate rebels" that US has supposedly been training and giving US equipment in order to stop them inevitably laying down their weapons to ISIS and running away like cowards. I would of thought the entire FSA had made it to Germany by now anyway...
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Before they got surface to air, they got blown up, and the real difference, the Syrian Arab Army followed up on the ground.
Almost everyone lives near the coast, and most of that ground is government controlled. Homs is secure, the air strikes were to towns on the north edge. Pushing back the terrorists, taking the ground, drives them into desert and open country.
Russians have better intelligence, and better weapons. They have Syrian on the ground intel, electronic intercept, and satellite updates. They can follow one man walking across town. They have been mapping supply lines, warehouses, for months.
The same computers that send you targeted ads are updating the location of most terrorists in real time. Watch a building from space, track everyone who comes and goes, where they came from and where they go, and there are no safe houses.
The ISIS Depot that was hit was a big explosion, all around were smaller that took out single houses where terrorists lived. It is like blowing up a factory, and the homes of the management, and the homes of the workers, all at the same time.
ISIS does not grocery shop, a truck brings supplies, and Russia has been watching it's route for months. They cannot hide, the computer says there are nine men in that house, they cannot leave, Russia uses thermal vision at night, drones, and they cannot resupply, as the truck is being watched. Trucks make pickups at warehouses, that are supplied from bases in Turkey.
Blowing up the Depot and staff leaves a hole in their supply line, now they have to move in reinforcements. Some from the source of supply, others from down stream. Lots of activity to watch, track, and blow up.
Russia's stated goal, that none of the Russian speakers, or those from the Stans, live to return home.
I am not saying other rebels are better, but I doubt it's an ISIS depot, there's no presence of ISIS in idlib.
ISIS presence starts about 200 kilometers from there as far as I know.
Either way, you talk details of the operation as if you were sitting with the Russian command.
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There is no discernible difference between ISIS and al-Nusra despite what some dumb wayward neocons are fantasizing about. These sociopaths actually want us to support al-Qaeda and the Taliban in their "fight" against ISIS, seriously. Like I said, Russia should bomb everywhere not waving a Syrian or Kurdish flag. There shouldn't be a black banner with the squiggly lines left standing by Russia. Syria has no future without Assad, removing him would make the situation nightmarishly worse. Are you Sunni or Shia? ISIS and al-Nusra would like to know.
Russia should preemptively bomb any of those "vetted moderate rebels" that US has supposedly been training and giving US equipment in order to stop them inevitably laying down their weapons to ISIS and running away like cowards. I would of thought the entire FSA had made it to Germany by now anyway...
Moderate Syrian rebellion was gone since the defeat of FSA which was composed mainly of Syrian army deserters (even what's left of FSA now are Islamists).
No one has been fighting for four years without being paid.
Weapons and ammo cost more than fighters.
As Putin pointed out, they fight for money, ISIS is exporting a $1,000,000 a day in oil, they pay the most, with a slave girl bonus.
Even the best of the best fully vetted CIA trained killers, crossed the border and went straight to ISIS, to report on their mission.
As usual, the CIA does best with homosexuals, drug addicts, and various criminals that ISIS would dispose of.
Long ago Assad put out the word, unless you have done something horrible, lets talk, Syria has not been perfect, I your President have not been perfect, but we are Syrians, and those other guys will kill us all if they win.
There were protests, people got arrested, then there were more protests, where the police just watched, then someone started shooting, and killed a lot of police and protestors. It was not the police, not the army, and not the protestors. The shooters were not loyal Syrians seeking a more democratic nation, they were not even Syrians.
Your country has killed many of them, their faces and passports are posted on line, we are a people with a common outside enemy. Let us face it together.
Moderate protestors, even those who had taken up arms, rejoined the government before the last election where Assad in an internationally watched fair election got 85% of the vote. For God, Syria, and Assad!
The people of Syria have made their choice, what they have is much better than Political Islam run by The Islamic State.
Honestly, as an American, I'm fine with letting Russia deal with Syria. Our economy can't really handle another war, and I don't think Syria is worth American lives. Although, now we are partly responsible because we aided a lot of rebels who ended up siding with ISIS. Unless we (the United States) is willing to do a full land military intervention (which is what it will take to bring about quick end to the Syrian civil war) we need to just distance ourselves from it and allow Russia free reign to deal with Syria.
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