The "Islamization" of Europe is statistically impossible

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Ah, but the people who entertain fantasies of an Islamic Europe are, I think, more concerned about the browning of Europe than with the introduction of Sharia law.

I think the major concern is that they will turn the host country into the country these people are fleeing, rather than assimilating.

I think the concern is more about inviting in a fifth column that will never properly integrate and compound itself by segregating themselves into ethnic enclave ghettos which breed violence and extremism. The trend is the opposite in Europe than the US, the children born there are more radicalized than the parents because of that is what they cling to in light of socioeconomic isolation and the realization that they will never truly be considered European. A good portion of those foreign ISIS fighters were born in the West, there are thousands of combatants from Europe. This is not really an issue in the US since we integrate Muslims much better than any European country, they are on average wealthier and more educated than the general population. People don't come to the US to live off welfare and we're a country made up of immigrants instead of one based on one ethnic heritage like much of Europe, some of the many fundamental differences. Europe overall won't be majority Muslim for a long time but there might be pockets where they clustered in that are and yes they will attempt to use Sharia in their community and the multiculti types in Europe will endorse it like they do in the UK which allows its Muslims inhabitants to use Sharia courts instead of the ones everyone else uses. Multiculturalism doesn't work, the melting pot is the only way you can bond a people together or else they will forever be pitted against each other as they will never consider themselves the same.

People are afraid to criticize Islam as they are other religions, barbarism shouldn't be tolerated for fear of being called racist. Veils are stupid, circumcision is stupid, praying five times a day is stupid, the sunnah is stupid, it's not true and extremist beliefs should not be encouraged or facilitated. There are some pretty stupid things in the Christian bible but none of us will hesitate to call them out and most have accepted secular western values above that of their religion; if you hate the Christian religious right then what do you think religious Muslims think about homosexuals, pornography, evolution, apostasy, or whatever your pet peeve is about them? Their morals and values are incorrect and should change if they want to move to our countries, we should only let in people that will integrate. Imagine how the Muslim community in Europe would react their own version of 'Piss Jesus', a Piss Muhammad would probably cause deaths on 4 continents.

Atheism is the biggest threat.

to what?

Yes, but that's what happens since time immemorial whenever an incoming group adds something to a national melting pot. America is hardly the same country it had been at it's start, as each newly arriving group contributed something to the culture. That's what keeps a civilization alive. Change and evolve, or grow stagnant and die.

Who cares if there ends up being more muslims than christians? I don't really care about christians being the 'majority' anywhere. Sure maybe a large population of muslims might add some foreign cultural elements...but even as we see in christianity with people moving away from the religion or at least starting to question it I imagine the same happens in Islam.

I am not a christian, muslim, athiest, jew or agnostic.....so I won't be shedding tears over the population of muslims being bigger than the population of christians in any given area.

Christians destroyed pagan culture before inserting their christianity into european culture.....so

And what of the christians conquering the pagan communities and forcing their ways on them....an influx of immigrants is a pretty far cry from that really.

Yes I think that about hits the nail on the head....and all this talk of these refugees many of whom are children and their desperate parents trying to give them a chance at survival having an 'agenda', what to get something to eat and find somewhere to live? Sounds like a lot of excuses because no one wants to outright say 'hey get those brown people out of this white majority place' so they use fear mongering about how they have a sinister 'agenda' of taking over all of europe and turning it into a religious theocracy.

It is not the first time Europe has been invaded by sand people with their desert gods and closed tribal ways.

One thing they brought with them was seeing everyone else as an enemy, and some lesser animal to overcome.

Again, they form colonies in the cities, speak an alien language, and are often connected to crimes.

They are accepted, tolerated, expected to become more like the local people, and when after long times they openly exploit their welcome, assert dominion where they were a unwelcome guest, the people rise up and slaughter them.

In every country the sand people have entered, their history has been the same, they attempt to rule over the host.

Their God gave them the perfect religion, language, and chose them above all others to rule the planet. Their book says so.

This is not the first time Islamic hordes have walked from Turkey to Austria. Before it was also travelers, merchants, searching out the paths and weak spots, then the armed invaders followed them.

This is just one more invasion of the Balkans by Islam.

Genghis Khan first drove refugees before his army, they would use up the supplies of the places he was going to attack. They were also cover for his spies and agents to work from within. Then he drove a huge wave of refugees to the city walls, as human shields for his army. They ate everything, the city had run low on food, spies were within, before he attacked.

The Saudi's have not offered to take any refugees, or to fund their support, they have said they will build Mosques in every town in Europe, and supply the Imams. See it as forts and an intelligence network, and see the plan in action.

At least once every hundred years Islam has tried to invade Europe. Albania, Bosnia, are Islamic due to invasion.

Bulgaria, Romania, Moldova, have suffered under the Turk Yoke. Ukraine was raided for slaves for a thousand years, and Crimea was occupied.

To the people of Eastern Europe this is a recent event. It took a sea of blood to drive them out, and they have not forgotten.

Where Islam rules, everything else dies.

As a matter of fact, not all Europeans are the same, or came from the same place. Rather, they were a conglomeration of Ice Age hunter/gatherers, Middle Eastern farmers, and pastoral warrior-horsemen from the Eurasian steppe. And even then, with each group mixing and remixing with another, they formed new ethnic groups such as Germanic, Celtic, Latinate, Greek, Slavic, Scythian, and Illyrian groups that in turn intermixed with one another. Throw in Non-Caucasian groups such as the Finno-Ugarian people, the Moors, and the Huns, not to mention peoples from Africa and Asia who were brought in as slaves, who ultimately disappeared into the European gene pool, but still made things interesting. These Middle Easterners will also in time fade into the populations with whom they have come to live among, but will doubtlessly add some lively traditions to European culture.
And yes, I am a Christian, though I consider my outlook on immigration as more of a product of my political liberalism. By the way, I have never been ashamed of being white. I take great pride in the largely German ethnic background. But that doesn't mean I have to sh*t on someone else who isn't white or German, or be afraid of newcomers who might change my gene pool.

Those who talk about the risk of Islamization of Europe, are talking in the Culturally-christian and ethnic context too, regardless of the % of practicing Christians.
They also tend to "racialize" Islam ie. he is muslim-looking.

I think it is really easy to just scream racism, perhaps there is some prejudice against Muslims but it is not about race and you should know that Muslims come from every race. A lot of Syrians, Turks, Kurds, etc look whiter than a lot of Europeans and that's where most of the refugees are supposedly coming from so its not an issue of skin color with them. The actual amount real of real refugees I question, a lot of these people are just economic migrants taking advantage of the situation. I don't think the Syrian Civil War has spread to Eritrea for example.

Religion and values are important on both sides; people need to understand that there is a huge difference between how Muslims in the US integrate who are considered "model minorities" who are on average more educated+wealthy than the general population and how they integrate in countries like France, Sweden, UK, Netherlands, etc. You guys put them in ghettos and in your prisons, 70% of France's prisons are filled with Muslims. The welfare systems of Europe do not work like magic, if you invite in a million people who are economically disadvantaged and then bring over their families it will cause a tremendous strain on already unsustainable system. Like all the bleeding hearts cry about not be provided for by the government but if you want that then you need borders to restrict immigration. Milton Friedman thought illegal immigration is an issue in so far that we are forced to provide the benefits of the welfare state to them but otherwise they were beneficial for exactly that reason when compared to legal immigrants, illegal immigrants become a big problem when they are made legal immigrants. There isn't the money or the resources to go around, our countries are suffering, nobody can explain how this will be a net positive because it won't.

Bringing somebody that can't integrate into our culture is not compassion, that does not advance society and is cruel to all those involved. In France it isn't the Muslim parents that are the problem, a lot of French Muslims have been there for decades from Algeria and the like but now there children are being radicalized due their social and economic ostracization. There thousands of EU citizens fighting for Islamic State right now, the 9/11 hijackers weren't living in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan either. I believe they came from Germany before coming over here, Muslims in Europe probably pose more of security risk to the US than those in the Middle East. I don't believe you can be integrated into the west if you are a "faithful" Muslim, perhaps they can if reform and liberalize but right now just look at the polls of what European Muslims believe. Many believe that blasphemy against the prophet and apostasy should result in death, this isn't a tiny minority that believes this either but rather probably more than 20%. There is higher support for ISIS in France than there is many Muslim countries, it's a powder keg. Ghettos and apartheid is not compassion, they are not just graced into being better people just by our presence. A demographic reversal would be a pretty big deal, it's a fundamental difference in values. Would you like it if the Evangelical Christian population in the US doubled overnight? They don't kill people too often but they certainly like to judge others and try to force their views on everyone. "I don't see what the big deal is about Muslims being the majority", do you want to wear a veil? Do you want to pay a jizya? You're counting on these people losing their faith when that is what they cling to given their status in Europe.

If we want to show compassion, we should get the hell out of the middle east and stop supporting the terrorists in their midst which includes the militants and our so called allies in the Gulf. The wars in Iraq, Libya, and Syria are all entirely our fault and they were be better off if we never tried to meddle in it. Our strategic goals in the region are more important tho than than the millions of lives we destroy, the US does not give two s**ts about democracy or human rights. It's just a grand chessboard and Russia has finally decided to beat us at our own game, Russia is trying to solve the problem which means winning the war. They cry about the Russians bombing al-Qaeda militants in Syria because they're not ISIS but then we bomb the s**t out of an Afghan Doctor's Without Borders hospital for 40 minutes after they called identifying themselves. Assad is such a bad guy that all of Syria's many minorities lived peacefully under his regime, he gave refuge to the Christians of Iraq who were being genocided by Islamist militants. Turkey and the Arabs support ISIS, they want to destroy the Syrian state.

Yes, we all unite under science.

But science is only one way for us to understand the universe. By no means is it the only way.

Immigration wouldn't bother me if the immigrants would leave their old culture behind and be ready to adapt and live in the new culture and become productive members of that new culture.

Anyone not ready to do so should stay where they are.