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09 Nov 2015, 2:18 am

GnosticBishop wrote:
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aaarggg
http://islam.stackexchange.com/question ... e-in-islam
it is not only https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism ... ontroversy
but money likes fundamentalism


Just what do you think we are supposed to get from that garbage?

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"Garbage" that you willfull ignore in order to promote your hatespeech!

It's just that it's here™ such large place to spread your ignorant hate, does it make one wonder, or is it just the new tool of obscurantism ?



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09 Nov 2015, 8:13 am

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Islam was actually very unusually liberal in the rights of women, for its time.

Even if that's true, it's pretty backwards for the current time.



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09 Nov 2015, 8:21 am

"Views" and "laws" are not the same thing.



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09 Nov 2015, 11:51 am

traven wrote:
GnosticBishop wrote:
traven wrote:
aaarggg
http://islam.stackexchange.com/question ... e-in-islam
it is not only https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism ... ontroversy
but money likes fundamentalism


Just what do you think we are supposed to get from that garbage?

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"Garbage" that you willfull ignore in order to promote your hatespeech!

It's just that it's here™ such large place to spread your ignorant hate, does it make one wonder, or is it just the new tool of obscurantism ?


Hate?

Here is an example of hate of women by men.

https://ca.video.search.yahoo.com/searc ... ction=view

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09 Nov 2015, 11:55 am

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"Views" and "laws" are not the same thing.


True but they are always both considered when creating new views or laws.

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10 Nov 2015, 6:58 pm

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I don't think that anyone should be made to accept anyone's views.


So you think that all Muslims in your country should be allowed to use Sharia law and not the law of your land.

Do I have that right?

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Sharia law in the United States? Absolutely not.


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10 Nov 2015, 7:00 pm

I never said there should be shariah in the USA.... Muslims need to abide by the laws of the countries they live in.... if they want shariah so bad, they can go to pakistan, iran, saudi arabia, etc.



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10 Nov 2015, 9:01 pm

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and until the 1920s, women did not even have the right to vote in the USA


That's not strictly true.

In the early US, some women in some states were allowed to vote. As I understand it, from an article in Smithsonian magazine many years ago, some states had rules that allowed only property owners to vote with no restriction to just men property owners. In those states, if you owned property, male or female, you could vote and if you did not own property, male or female, you could not vote.



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11 Nov 2015, 11:06 am

MoonUnitPatrol wrote:
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I don't think that anyone should be made to accept anyone's views.


So you think that all Muslims in your country should be allowed to use Sharia law and not the law of your land.

Do I have that right?

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Sharia law in the United States? Absolutely not.


So you do think that people should be made to accept the view of America, that their law is better than Sharia.

Are you retracting your original statement?

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11 Nov 2015, 11:10 am

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I never said there should be shariah in the USA.... Muslims need to abide by the laws of the countries they live in.... if they want shariah so bad, they can go to pakistan, iran, saudi arabia, etc.


So should a condition for immigrants to be allowed in free countries include rejection of Sharia?

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11 Nov 2015, 3:08 pm

GnosticBishop wrote:
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Folks in Finland speak Finnish. Therefore the whole world should adopt the Finnish language.

Is that your logic?

You're saying that "Islam dictates X", and then you ask "should the rest of the World adopt X?"

But you skipped over the part where you explain what the fact that Islam dictates X has to do with whether, or not we adopt X.

So Muslims practice X. So what?


I had already tried it that way."We dont practice X, and the Muslims do. So therefore the Muslims should adopt our habit of not practicing X, and conform to our way of doing stuff." Why should either group adopt the culture trait of the other? You give no reason to run the equation either way.

No. No. Reverse everything you said and you will be closer.

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I guess that x is just wrong.

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No one can respond to your question until they know WTF you are asking.

What exactly is the question you are asking?

Human group A practices one thing. And human group B practices something else.
Both groups did their thing in geographic isolation from each other for centuries. So why change now?

In your OP you ask "should group A conform to group B" without giving any reason for why group A should do that. And you fail to ask the reciprocal question of "should group B conform to the practices of group A?".

Leaving aside the question of whether Islam really does believe in inequality of the sexes- lets assume that it does- why should we adopt their practice? And why shouldnt they adopt ours?



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11 Nov 2015, 3:15 pm

GnosticBishop wrote:
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I never said there should be shariah in the USA.... Muslims need to abide by the laws of the countries they live in.... if they want shariah so bad, they can go to pakistan, iran, saudi arabia, etc.


So should a condition for immigrants to be allowed in free countries include rejection of Sharia?

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When someone immigrates to a new country, they should try to assimilate into that country. If they wanted to keep their own culture, then they should stay where they are.



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11 Nov 2015, 4:07 pm

GnosticBishop wrote:
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I never said there should be shariah in the USA.... Muslims need to abide by the laws of the countries they live in.... if they want shariah so bad, they can go to pakistan, iran, saudi arabia, etc.


So should a condition for immigrants to be allowed in free countries include rejection of Sharia?

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Like MC said an immigrant lives by the laws of the country they go to.
Since the USA is a free country they are free believe in Sharia. They just cant live by it.
But if they wanna campain and try to persuade other American voters to vote in Sharia thats legal too.
They wont get very far even far even with other Muslim migrants. But in the USA you could create a nonsectarian watered down version of Sharia law, and give it another name, and form of coalition with Michele Bachman, Rick Santorum,and Ben Carson, and you could probably get some traction for American Sharia law lite.



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12 Nov 2015, 8:28 am

naturalplastic wrote:
GnosticBishop wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
GnosticBishop wrote:
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Folks in Finland speak Finnish. Therefore the whole world should adopt the Finnish language.

Is that your logic?

You're saying that "Islam dictates X", and then you ask "should the rest of the World adopt X?"

But you skipped over the part where you explain what the fact that Islam dictates X has to do with whether, or not we adopt X.

So Muslims practice X. So what?


I had already tried it that way."We dont practice X, and the Muslims do. So therefore the Muslims should adopt our habit of not practicing X, and conform to our way of doing stuff." Why should either group adopt the culture trait of the other? You give no reason to run the equation either way.

No. No. Reverse everything you said and you will be closer.

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I guess that x is just wrong.

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DL


No one can respond to your question until they know WTF you are asking.

What exactly is the question you are asking?

Human group A practices one thing. And human group B practices something else.
Both groups did their thing in geographic isolation from each other for centuries. So why change now?

In your OP you ask "should group A conform to group B" without giving any reason for why group A should do that. And you fail to ask the reciprocal question of "should group B conform to the practices of group A?".

Leaving aside the question of whether Islam really does believe in inequality of the sexes- lets assume that it does- why should we adopt their practice? And why shouldnt they adopt ours?


If you assume that then you would be wrong. That was the point of the O.P.

Lets start over.

What was to happen was that you were to answer the main question with, --- no, --- because Islam is a misogynous religion.

If you do not see Islam as a misogynous religion then you would not be a moral person as it's misogyny, just like many other religions, is quite apparent.

https://ca.video.search.yahoo.com/searc ... ction=view

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12 Nov 2015, 8:31 am

eric76 wrote:
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I never said there should be shariah in the USA.... Muslims need to abide by the laws of the countries they live in.... if they want shariah so bad, they can go to pakistan, iran, saudi arabia, etc.


So should a condition for immigrants to be allowed in free countries include rejection of Sharia?

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When someone immigrates to a new country, they should try to assimilate into that country. If they wanted to keep their own culture, then they should stay where they are.


I agree in the case of Islam as they are a religion of war.

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12 Nov 2015, 8:35 am

naturalplastic wrote:
GnosticBishop wrote:
MonsterCrack wrote:
I never said there should be shariah in the USA.... Muslims need to abide by the laws of the countries they live in.... if they want shariah so bad, they can go to pakistan, iran, saudi arabia, etc.


So should a condition for immigrants to be allowed in free countries include rejection of Sharia?

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DL


Like MC said an immigrant lives by the laws of the country they go to.
Since the USA is a free country they are free believe in Sharia. They just cant live by it.
But if they wanna campain and try to persuade other American voters to vote in Sharia thats legal too.
They wont get very far even far even with other Muslim migrants. But in the USA you could create a nonsectarian watered down version of Sharia law, and give it another name, and form of coalition with Michele Bachman, Rick Santorum,and Ben Carson, and you could probably get some traction for American Sharia law lite.


That is how it should be done for sure.

I see other cultures as contributing to make free countries more interesting by adding novelty but to bring in the immoral practices of Sharia would not help free nations at all.

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