Ethical paradox: Would You Kill Baby Hitler?

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15 Nov 2015, 7:42 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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Let's say you were sent back in time to his bedroom in Austria when Hitler was still a baby, would you kill baby Hitler as an attempt to prevent the WWII and Holocaust from happening?


You just find yourself in front of the baby him, with a gun in your hand, shoot or not shoot?

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Why not just kidnap Baby Hitler and raise him in a place far away from Germany? And how can you be so sure the Nazis wouldn't have risen to power even without him? A lot of those Nazis were actually worse than him. He was the figure head but some of the others were much more insidious and responsible for atrocities.


Well, Hitler wasn't actually born in Germany, but Austria. And you wouldn't have to take him away from German speaking Europe; rather, you would just have to find parents who would genuinely love their child, very different from his biological father, Alois Schicklgruber. Hitler's father was a vicious bully who physically and emotionally hurt his son as often as he could. Hitler as a child had tried running away from home, which earned him such a savage beating that he was comatose for days (leaving open the real possibility that Hitler's psychosis was due to organic brain damage). Take the monster father all together from the equation, and Hitler would have been a bohemian artist.


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15 Nov 2015, 7:46 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Let's say you were sent back in time to his bedroom in Austria when Hitler was still a baby, would you kill baby Hitler as an attempt to prevent the WWII and Holocaust from happening?


You just find yourself in front of the baby him, with a gun in your hand, shoot or not shoot?

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If you pull the trigger, you'd mess up space and time.

So no.


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15 Nov 2015, 8:11 pm

I think it would be more fun just to cock-block Hitler's dad. Or you could prevent the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand, and prevent WWI. Or foster young Hitler's art career by giving him some LSD.



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15 Nov 2015, 8:35 pm

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I think it would be more fun just to cock-block Hitler's dad. Or you could prevent the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand, and prevent WWI. Or foster young Hitler's art career by giving him some LSD.


Don't do it, you'll mess up space and time. No Hitler could drastically change time and space.


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15 Nov 2015, 8:40 pm

I wouldn't, because like Rudin said, it would mess up space and time.



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15 Nov 2015, 10:17 pm

At that age there would be many opportunities to prevent Hitler from becoming well Hitler without killing a baby. Since people have retro diagnosed Hitler as an Aspie and this is a hypothetical fantasy he could be given ABA therapy. :D


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15 Nov 2015, 10:25 pm

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At that age there would be many opportunities to prevent Hitler from becoming well Hitler without killing a baby. Since people have retro diagnosed Hitler as an Aspie and this is a hypothetical fantasy he could be given ABA therapy. :D


I seriously doubt Hitler was an Aspie. More likely he suffered from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. After all, this is a man who could read a room of people like a book, have his finger on the pulse of his time, and knew how to enthrall and captivate his audience. I don't know of a single Aspie who could do any of that.


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15 Nov 2015, 10:28 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Let's say you were sent back in time to his bedroom in Austria when Hitler was still a baby, would you kill baby Hitler as an attempt to prevent the WWII and Holocaust from happening?


You just find yourself in front of the baby him, with a gun in your hand, shoot or not shoot?

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Why not just kidnap Baby Hitler and raise him in a place far away from Germany? And how can you be so sure the Nazis wouldn't have risen to power even without him? A lot of those Nazis were actually worse than him. He was the figure head but some of the others were much more insidious and responsible for atrocities.


Well, Hitler wasn't actually born in Germany, but Austria. And you wouldn't have to take him away from German speaking Europe; rather, you would just have to find parents who would genuinely love their child, very different from his biological father, Alois Schicklgruber. Hitler's father was a vicious bully who physically and emotionally hurt his son as often as he could. Hitler as a child had tried running away from home, which earned him such a savage beating that he was comatose for days (leaving open the real possibility that Hitler's psychosis was due to organic brain damage). Take the monster father all together from the equation, and Hitler would have been a bohemian artist.


I agree.



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15 Nov 2015, 10:33 pm

^^^
Thank you. 8)


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16 Nov 2015, 2:30 am

No because by the time Hitler became chancellor the seeds were already sown for Nazi Germany in WW1 with the Versailles Treaty. It's better to go in and prevent the treaty from becoming a reality as it was in the first place. Heck even prevent the assassination of the Archduke.
Before serving in WW1 Hitler was just an artist (a rather good one for one who become the most hated man in the world).
In short even if you killed baby Hitler, someone else would have been fuhrer of a Nazi Germany.



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16 Nov 2015, 2:39 am

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No because by the time Hitler became chancellor the seeds were already sown for Nazi Germany in WW1 with the Versailles Treaty. It's better to go in and prevent the treaty from becoming a reality as it was in the first place. Heck even prevent the assassination of the Archduke.
Before serving in WW1 Hitler was just an artist (a rather good one for one who become the most hated man in the world).
In short even if you killed baby Hitler, someone else would have been fuhrer of a Nazi Germany.


That, or the thriving German communist party would have had the opportunity to take command, and become Stalin's western most satellite.


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18 Nov 2015, 10:55 am

Why not just go back in time and convince Miss Hitler to have an abortion? Then you can create a world without Hitler, and avoid the ethical conflict of having killed someone to achieve it.



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18 Nov 2015, 12:21 pm

You just don't know what something that big would do to history.

WW2 prevented. Guy who would have died lives and meets girl, they have baby boy. Baby boy grows up to be man who meets the woman who was your mother and falls in love with her. Boom, you're never born, different egg/s fertilised with different sperm. Great people never get born. New monsters are born. Of course, it could happen in reverse. But it would change the whole World and who knows in what way.



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18 Nov 2015, 12:50 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Let's say you were sent back in time to his bedroom in Austria when Hitler was still a baby, would you kill baby Hitler as an attempt to prevent the WWII and Holocaust from happening?


You just find yourself in front of the baby him, with a gun in your hand, shoot or not shoot?

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Kill????? Really?????

Better to think about how to structure your life and plan around the events happening today than spend time day dreaming abut what can/should never be. :(



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18 Nov 2015, 2:45 pm

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Ethical Paradox: Would You Kill Baby Hitler?

No. Gandalf explains it:

Frodo: [of Gollum] It's a pity Bilbo didn't kill him when he had the chance.

Gandalf: Pity? It was pity that it stayed in Bilbo's hand. Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that Gollum has some part to play yet, for good or ill before this is over. The pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many.

Hitler's disgrace may prevent future Hitlers.



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18 Nov 2015, 5:58 pm

I'd have given him a job.

(I'm an Austrian artist, living in Germany, and one of my clients prides himself in preventing at least one war by hiring me occasionally.)

Also, Hitler was not an Aspie, but a psychopath with amphetamine ("pervitin") addiction.


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