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08 Dec 2015, 6:58 am

It is not only happening in America but France also.
Le Pen’s Success in France Is One More Sign of a Scared Electorate

ISIS is winning handily now.


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08 Dec 2015, 8:36 am

Why don't we give them some islands away from the rest of the population where they can live comfortably until the present conflict blows over? Refugee Island. It could work.



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08 Dec 2015, 9:23 am

Trump is a clown. He's a loose cannon.

Even Hitler had some "good ideas." (not comparing Trump to Hitler--for there is no one to compare to Hitler).

I wouldn't vote for a person because he/she might have some "good ideas."

He says stupid things. He doesn't think things out. The Presidency will become like Wrestling, or like Reality TV. It will be a clown show. He's a Bozo.

He likes to be provocative. We don't need that in today's world.

We need a person of substance, a person who thinks things through, a person who is knowledgeable.

We need someone who serves as a role model.

We need a "real" President.



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08 Dec 2015, 9:48 am

How would he determine whether someone was a Muslim or not? How about ...

The Trump Standard for Screening Muslims
1) If I say that they are Muslims, they're Muslims.
2) If I don't like them, they're Muslims.
3) If they want to come to America, they're Muslims.
4) If he has a beard, he's a Muslim.
5) If she won't hug me, she's a Muslim.
6) If she's dressed to cover everything, she's a Muslim.
7) If they look like Muslims, they're Muslims.
8) If they say they're not Muslims, they're Muslims.
9) If they have Muslim friends, they're Muslims.
10) If they won't pet my dog, they're Muslims.


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08 Dec 2015, 10:22 am

Wait, didn't Donald Trump also say that he wanted to establish a Muslim registry and make all Muslims wear special badges?

Hmmmm... A charismatic man promoting hatred against a certain religious group, and advocating for preventing their movement, registering them, and forcing them to wear badges...

For some reason, this all seems very familiar to me, but I just can't put my finger on it...


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08 Dec 2015, 10:42 am

Fnord wrote:
How would he determine whether someone was a Muslim or not? How about ...

The Trump Standard for Screening Muslims
1) If I say that they are Muslims, they're Muslims.
2) If I don't like them, they're Muslims.
3) If they want to come to America, they're Muslims.
4) If he has a beard, he's a Muslim.
5) If she won't hug me, she's a Muslim.
6) If she's dressed to cover everything, she's a Muslim.
7) If they look like Muslims, they're Muslims.
8) If they say they're not Muslims, they're Muslims.
9) If they have Muslim friends, they're Muslims.
10) If they won't pet my dog, they're Muslims.
(Imagine that Donald Trump is spewing these things ...)
11) If they support Hillary, they're Muslims.
12) If they don't speak English, they're Muslims.
13) If they criticize my policies, they're Muslims.
14) If they mention my bankruptcies, they're Muslims.
15) If they don't go to church, they're Muslims.
16) If they're not Republicans, they're Muslims.
17) If they won't salute our flag, they're Muslims.
18) If they pray on their knees, they're Muslims.
19) If they wear robes in public, they're Muslims.
20) If they don't vote for me, they're Muslims.


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08 Dec 2015, 12:41 pm

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Trump's political ambitions are built on demonizing certain ethnic/religious groups, namely Latinos and Muslims. His are the politics of division and hate. I can't say if Trump honestly believes the hot air he's spewing, but his supporters certainly do, and thus he's bringing out the very worst in them.

I think this falls under "the flattery of knaves" according to Edmund Burke...

I don't think Trump will win a general election, but his success may be a canary-in-the-coal mine for our rebuplic.


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08 Dec 2015, 1:13 pm

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Trump called for a ban on all immigrants until we reach full employment.

Islam is not compatible with America. It is alien to western values. We are at war, have been for a decade, and if history teaches anything, this war will last a hundred years.

A lot of people will want to leave Germany and Sweden, and our immigration before 1965 favored north Europeans.

Our Culture leads the world in economics, we must be doing something right.

It is our choice, a million North Europeans, or a million Nigerian Princes and Hispanic drug cartels?

Build Wall, build on our ties with Europe.


What do you mean ban all immigrants until we reach 'full employment'? It's interesting you only thing non-whites can be criminals involved in drug cartels lol.


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08 Dec 2015, 1:16 pm

One thing that would make me care more for Muslims would be if I ever heard of a Muslim PREVENTING terrorism by revealing another Muslim's terrorist plans.

If anyone has evidence of this ever happening please post here.

Am I being unreasonable? Wouldn't you think that with all the stabbings, bombings, and killings going on attributed to "different" Muslims that some one of their neighbors, relatives, friends, business associates would notice the preparation for these events? Why don't they say something? Why don't they prevent these killings?

I was once told the reason for this may be that in Islam you can not demonize another's interpretation of the Quran if they are one of the faithful. You can disagree with it, but you'll not hear of a fatwa (or any other punishment) called down on them by religious leaders.

Certainly the average believer does not feel THEY are undisciplined killers and so they tell us to not judge all Muslims by the actions of a few.

I say they should be judged by the inaction of the many and should be treated as agents for these killers, and also held directly responsible for these killings.



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08 Dec 2015, 1:21 pm

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One thing that would make me care more for Muslims would be if I ever heard of a Muslim PREVENTING terrorism by revealing another Muslim's terrorist plans.

If anyone has evidence of this ever happening please post here.

Am I being unreasonable? Wouldn't you think that with all the stabbings, bombings, and killings going on attributed to "different" Muslims that some one of their neighbors, relatives, friends, business associates would notice the preparation for these events? Why don't they say something? Why don't they prevent these killings?

I was once told the reason for this may be that in Islam you can not demonize another's interpretation of the Quran if they are one of the faithful. You can disagree with it, but you'll not hear of a fatwa (or any other punishment) called down on them by religious leaders.

Certainly the average believer does not feel THEY are undisciplined killers and so they tell us to not judge all Muslims by the actions of a few.

I say they should be judged by the inaction of the many and should be treated as agents for these killers, and also held directly responsible for these killings.


Yes that is unreasonable...how can you hold muslims who had nothing to do with this attack or others directly responsible for the killings? What now they are supposed to have special psychic powers to figure out if another muslim is an extremist to report them....or it means they are all agents for terrorists and directly responsible for attacks they had nothing to do with? Crazy, scary talk.

That is the kind of talk that leads to people getting rounded up and gotten rid of very nazi esque. It just amazes me on an autism forum full of people who struggle with ostracism and being negatively blanket generalized people are advocating to turn a different group into second class citizens. what as long as its not the group your in its ok? And what of muslims with autism any sympathy for them? or ought they be marginalized, harrassed and blamed for violence regardless of if they are involved or not for being muslim on top of whatever autism struggles they could be having. This country is turning into something disgusting, there is an attack so what do people do? Start acting almost just as bad as the 'terrorists' they fear. :roll:


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08 Dec 2015, 1:27 pm

Look at it this way: What happens to jail-house snitches once the rest of the inmates find out about them? If they're lucky, they'll only get a beating. If not, then their deaths begin with a beating.

Or this: The Maffia had a code of silence called Omertà. Basically, if someone goes to the cops, his or her family would be executed. The Sinaloa drug cartel operates in a similar fashion.

What do you think would happen to a person who informs on a Muslim terrorist plot? What do you think would happen to his family, even three or four generations down the road?. With sectarian violence as revenge for things that happened hundreds of years ago, any Muslim found out to be a police informant is dooming his descendants for many generations to come.


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08 Dec 2015, 1:29 pm

ZenDen wrote:
One thing that would make me care more for Muslims would be if I ever heard of a Muslim PREVENTING terrorism by revealing another Muslim's terrorist plans.

If anyone has evidence of this ever happening please post here.

Am I being unreasonable? Wouldn't you think that with all the stabbings, bombings, and killings going on attributed to "different" Muslims that some one of their neighbors, relatives, friends, business associates would notice the preparation for these events? Why don't they say something? Why don't they prevent these killings?

I was once told the reason for this may be that in Islam you can not demonize another's interpretation of the Quran if they are one of the faithful. You can disagree with it, but you'll not hear of a fatwa (or any other punishment) called down on them by religious leaders.

Certainly the average believer does not feel THEY are undisciplined killers and so they tell us to not judge all Muslims by the actions of a few.

I say they should be judged by the inaction of the many and should be treated as agents for these killers, and also held directly responsible for these killings.

This is completely asinine. Many if not most of the tips on domestic plots come from the Muslim community... :roll:


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08 Dec 2015, 1:33 pm

Maybe all of us should be judged for our inaction.


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08 Dec 2015, 1:35 pm

GoonSquad wrote:
ZenDen wrote:
One thing that would make me care more for Muslims would be if I ever heard of a Muslim PREVENTING terrorism by revealing another Muslim's terrorist plans.

If anyone has evidence of this ever happening please post here.

Am I being unreasonable? Wouldn't you think that with all the stabbings, bombings, and killings going on attributed to "different" Muslims that some one of their neighbors, relatives, friends, business associates would notice the preparation for these events? Why don't they say something? Why don't they prevent these killings?

I was once told the reason for this may be that in Islam you can not demonize another's interpretation of the Quran if they are one of the faithful. You can disagree with it, but you'll not hear of a fatwa (or any other punishment) called down on them by religious leaders.

Certainly the average believer does not feel THEY are undisciplined killers and so they tell us to not judge all Muslims by the actions of a few.

I say they should be judged by the inaction of the many and should be treated as agents for these killers, and also held directly responsible for these killings.

This is completely asinine. Many if not most of the tips on domestic plots come from the Muslim community... :roll:


And you don't usually hear about terrorist plots that had been stopped, mainly because they never got to happen. That, and the feds don't want to blow the case, let alone reveal intelligence contacts and methods.


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08 Dec 2015, 1:36 pm

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Maybe all of us should be judged for our inaction.
When the roll is called up yonder, where will your name be found?


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08 Dec 2015, 2:03 pm

I'm sure there have been Muslims who told the authorities about radicals.

There are Muslims, believe it or not, who want to live, and who don't believe in the 77 virgins scenario.