Board index › Topical Discussion › Politics, Philosophy, and Religion

Here's the REAL question for GOP[h]ers...

Page 2 of 8 [ 122 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 8  Next

Previous topic | Next topic

nurseangela
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Nov 2014
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,017
Location: Kansas

09 Dec 2015, 7:05 pm

GoonSquad wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
I believe in the Constitution. If you believe in the Constitution, then any legal American citizen is allowed to buy a gun as long as they pass background checks.

So, we shouldn't allow Muslims into the country, BUT if they get in we should let them buy guns?

You can't exactly say just no Muslims into the country - it would have to be all immigration. They were talking about it on the radio how the President could stop all immigration, but not stop only specific immigrants from entering the country.


_________________
Me grumpy?
I'm happiness challenged.

Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 83 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 153 of 200 You are very likely neurotypical
Darn, I flunked.


nurseangela
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Nov 2014
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,017
Location: Kansas

09 Dec 2015, 7:06 pm

GoonSquad wrote:
Rudin wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Well....

You could force every gun shop in America to provide a platter of little pork sausages on tooth picks next to the register. If a customer refuses to eat one-then you can't sell 'em a gun!


But then vegetarians and vegans couldn't buy guns.

Same for [dirty] Jews and 7th day adventists...

So, that's no good.


Pardon me, but are you against Jewish people?


_________________
Me grumpy?
I'm happiness challenged.

Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 83 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 153 of 200 You are very likely neurotypical
Darn, I flunked.


kraftiekortie
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Feb 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 87,510
Location: Queens, NYC

09 Dec 2015, 7:07 pm

We are a nation of immigrants. We tend to lose sight of that.



nurseangela
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Nov 2014
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,017
Location: Kansas

09 Dec 2015, 7:09 pm

But when we have immigrants coming in and doing terrorist activities, then maybe the immigration stuff should be put on hold for awhile.


_________________
Me grumpy?
I'm happiness challenged.

Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 83 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 153 of 200 You are very likely neurotypical
Darn, I flunked.


luan78zao
Velociraptor
Velociraptor

User avatar

Joined: 24 Nov 2014
Age: 60
Gender: Male
Posts: 490
Location: Under a cat

09 Dec 2015, 7:16 pm

I believe the San Berdoo shooters illegally obtained two rifles which were already illegal to own where they lived. They then illegally modified one with an illegal high-capacity magazine and illegally converted the other to full automatic. They'd already broken a long list of laws before they abandoned their baby and went off to (illegally, of course) slaughter the same people who'd given them a baby shower. Is there some other law which, had it been in effect, would have made them pause and say, "Whoa, we can't do that, it's illegal!"


_________________
"We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission – which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force." – Ayn Rand


Sweetleaf
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Jan 2011
Age: 35
Gender: Female
Posts: 35,023
Location: Somewhere in Colorado

09 Dec 2015, 7:17 pm

luan78zao wrote:
I believe the San Berdoo shooters illegally obtained two rifles which were already illegal to own where they lived. They then illegally modified one with an illegal high-capacity magazine and illegally converted the other to full automatic. They'd already broken a long list of laws before they abandoned their baby and went off to (illegally, of course) slaughter the same people who'd given them a baby shower. Is there some other law which, had it been in effect, would have made them pause and say, "Whoa, we can't do that, it's illegal!"

Its doubtful.


_________________
We won't go back.


nurseangela
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Nov 2014
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,017
Location: Kansas

09 Dec 2015, 7:27 pm

luan78zao wrote:
I believe the San Berdoo shooters illegally obtained two rifles which were already illegal to own where they lived. They then illegally modified one with an illegal high-capacity magazine and illegally converted the other to full automatic. They'd already broken a long list of laws before they abandoned their baby and went off to (illegally, of course) slaughter the same people who'd given them a baby shower. Is there some other law which, had it been in effect, would have made them pause and say, "Whoa, we can't do that, it's illegal!"


I thought everything they did was legal and that's why nothing could have been done to stop the shooting. They had no past record so they could buy guns legally and he was here on some kind of a marriage citizenship which was all legal immigration-wise.

Anyway, with terrorists the laws don't matter anyway. The laws only restrict responsible gun owners from protecting themselves. They said this building was targeted because it didn't have a lot of security. I think all businesses should have more guns and security along with letting all citizens carry on all properties. Kansas is changing the law on that actually in 2017, I believe, so business owners and schools can't say that guns are not permitted on their properties.


_________________
Me grumpy?
I'm happiness challenged.

Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 83 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 153 of 200 You are very likely neurotypical
Darn, I flunked.


kraftiekortie
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Feb 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 87,510
Location: Queens, NYC

09 Dec 2015, 7:31 pm

We have to closely monitor people who have, say, travelled to Syria since the civil war started there. Especially if they are not Syrian citizens.

We are a special nation because immigrants built it.



Sweetleaf
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Jan 2011
Age: 35
Gender: Female
Posts: 35,023
Location: Somewhere in Colorado

09 Dec 2015, 7:33 pm

nurseangela wrote:
luan78zao wrote:
I believe the San Berdoo shooters illegally obtained two rifles which were already illegal to own where they lived. They then illegally modified one with an illegal high-capacity magazine and illegally converted the other to full automatic. They'd already broken a long list of laws before they abandoned their baby and went off to (illegally, of course) slaughter the same people who'd given them a baby shower. Is there some other law which, had it been in effect, would have made them pause and say, "Whoa, we can't do that, it's illegal!"


I thought everything they did was legal and that's why nothing could have been done to stop the shooting. They had no past record so they could buy guns legally and he was here on some kind of a marriage citizenship which was all legal immigration-wise.

Anyway, with terrorists the laws don't matter anyway. The laws only restrict responsible gun owners from protecting themselves. They said this building was targeted because it didn't have a lot of security. I think all businesses should have more guns and security along with letting all citizens carry on all properties. Kansas is changing the law on that actually in 2017, I believe, so business owners and schools can't say that guns are not permitted on their properties.


No everything observable that they did that wasn't related to the crime itself wasn't criminal or likely to tip off suspicion that they were up to something. I doubt they told their neighbors about getting the guns and planning to shoot people.


_________________
We won't go back.


GoonSquad
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 May 2007
Age: 55
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,748
Location: International House of Paincakes...

09 Dec 2015, 7:35 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
Yeah, gun control is BS. I'd try prayer.


Whats prayer going to do? exactly.

Ask the Republicans.


_________________
No man is free who is not master of himself.~Epictetus


GoonSquad
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 May 2007
Age: 55
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,748
Location: International House of Paincakes...

09 Dec 2015, 7:38 pm

luan78zao wrote:
I believe the San Berdoo shooters illegally obtained two rifles which were already illegal to own where they lived. They then illegally modified one with an illegal high-capacity magazine and illegally converted the other to full automatic. They'd already broken a long list of laws before they abandoned their baby and went off to (illegally, of course) slaughter the same people who'd given them a baby shower. Is there some other law which, had it been in effect, would have made them pause and say, "Whoa, we can't do that, it's illegal!"

No, those guns were bought legally.

However, every illegal step the bad guys are forced to take is an opportunity to catch and arrest them BEFORE a mass murder.


_________________
No man is free who is not master of himself.~Epictetus


nurseangela
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Nov 2014
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,017
Location: Kansas

09 Dec 2015, 7:42 pm

GoonSquad wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
Yeah, gun control is BS. I'd try prayer.


Whats prayer going to do? exactly.

Ask the Republicans.


What does that mean?


_________________
Me grumpy?
I'm happiness challenged.

Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 83 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 153 of 200 You are very likely neurotypical
Darn, I flunked.


luan78zao
Velociraptor
Velociraptor

User avatar

Joined: 24 Nov 2014
Age: 60
Gender: Male
Posts: 490
Location: Under a cat

09 Dec 2015, 7:51 pm

GoonSquad wrote:
luan78zao wrote:
I believe the San Berdoo shooters illegally obtained two rifles which were already illegal to own where they lived. They then illegally modified one with an illegal high-capacity magazine and illegally converted the other to full automatic. They'd already broken a long list of laws before they abandoned their baby and went off to (illegally, of course) slaughter the same people who'd given them a baby shower. Is there some other law which, had it been in effect, would have made them pause and say, "Whoa, we can't do that, it's illegal!"

No, those guns were bought legally.

However, every illegal step the bad guys are forced to take is an opportunity to catch and arrest them BEFORE a mass murder.


It doesn't seem to be clear at this point if it was a straw purchase or an illegal transfer. Either way they did not legally obtain the rifles.

Not that it should be legal to build a pipe bomb, or to convert a semiautomatic to full auto. But it's kind of hard to catch someone doing illegal stuff in his basement until he brings it out in the open and starts using it.


_________________
"We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission – which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force." – Ayn Rand


nurseangela
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Nov 2014
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,017
Location: Kansas

09 Dec 2015, 7:53 pm

nurseangela wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
Yeah, gun control is BS. I'd try prayer.


Whats prayer going to do? exactly.

Ask the Republicans.


What does that mean?


Just what I thought. Another "goon" that can make fun of the other side (that's the easy part), but not come up with any action plan of their own. You're actually on the right side - the Left, standing behind a president who also has no action plan. Keep up the good work. :roll:


_________________
Me grumpy?
I'm happiness challenged.

Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 83 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 153 of 200 You are very likely neurotypical
Darn, I flunked.


GoonSquad
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 May 2007
Age: 55
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,748
Location: International House of Paincakes...

09 Dec 2015, 7:57 pm

nurseangela wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
Yeah, gun control is BS. I'd try prayer.


Whats prayer going to do? exactly.

Ask the Republicans.


What does that mean?

Because that's their only suggestion for stopping gun violence/mass shootings.


_________________
No man is free who is not master of himself.~Epictetus


GoonSquad
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 May 2007
Age: 55
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,748
Location: International House of Paincakes...

09 Dec 2015, 8:00 pm

luan78zao wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
luan78zao wrote:
I believe the San Berdoo shooters illegally obtained two rifles which were already illegal to own where they lived. They then illegally modified one with an illegal high-capacity magazine and illegally converted the other to full automatic. They'd already broken a long list of laws before they abandoned their baby and went off to (illegally, of course) slaughter the same people who'd given them a baby shower. Is there some other law which, had it been in effect, would have made them pause and say, "Whoa, we can't do that, it's illegal!"

No, those guns were bought legally.

However, every illegal step the bad guys are forced to take is an opportunity to catch and arrest them BEFORE a mass murder.


It doesn't seem to be clear at this point if it was a straw purchase or an illegal transfer. Either way they did not legally obtain the rifles.

Not that it should be legal to build a pipe bomb, or to convert a semiautomatic to full auto. But it's kind of hard to catch someone doing illegal stuff in his basement until he brings it out in the open and starts using it.


well, that's all the more reason to make it illegal for Muslims to even own guns at all, not to mention pipe fittings!


_________________
No man is free who is not master of himself.~Epictetus