I don't trust aspies!

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Dear Lukeda420,
Disclaimer: my directness is not intended as disrespect...and I use caps as emphasis not anger.

I dearly try to understand people of other cultures outside our country and even subcultures in our society regardless of ethnicity...IN GENERAL. However, safety IS an issue.

- xenophobia is the intense or "irrational" fear of people from other countries. However, what people are going through with this Muslim issue is NOT irrational and it is not directed at all ethnicities or countries. Thus, it is not a general irrational fear. It is a direct and rational fear of the deception and ruthless tactics of terrorist groups within the Muslim community. And it is because terrorists do not stop. http://www.muslimfact.com/bm/terror-in- ... rint.shtml

- I live in a college town and we have high numbers of immigrants and foreign students. I can't recall any of them who seemed mean. However, terrorists always "seem" normal and nice and act like your best friends. The San Bernadino terrorists lived among their community, being nice, and appearing loving but holding strong hate for Americans as do all the ISIS terrorist members. They will hug you and smile and seem kind and hate you the moment you leave the room.

- We can NOT visually discern terrorists from normal peaceful Muslims, which causes a HUGE problem. For lack of a better analogy, let's say you have 20 softballs. And you have been advised that 10 of them have small bombs inside them. Do you say to yourself, "hey, i'll take my chances and just go wild playing with balls" (that sounds bad, lol). Or do you say to yourself, "I think I'll just keep those balls way way way away from me." Personally, I'd put distance between me and those softballs.

- Do you have to hate ALL Muslims to think they need to stay in their country considering the current terrorist crisis? no. But I can tell you, if Americans were going to other countries attacking them, and I disagreed with it, I would not in any way have bad feelings against the countries who wanted us to stay in America. I would simply stay in America. Why do they continue to battle this increasing decision? Why do they want in this country so badly. If they can't fix it at home, don't bring it here please. I am not willing to sacrifice my loved ones in order to make them feel comfortable enough to come here, lie to us, and kill us. Similarly, I don't welcome ebola patients, and if I had ebola, I wouldn't travel the world giving it to others just bcuz I had it and I could.

- It has been known for decades now that terrorists have been placing "sleeper cells" in our country. Now let's say we have a Muslim or 100 Muslims in every city in America. And one day, they get the "go ahead" from ISIS to bomb us. An entire nation would be destroyed due to ignorance. And if our politicians try to bomb them, terrorists could simply say to us that they will detonate bombs in all major cities, which ties the hands of our politicians. Thus, disabling our country.

- They use our history against us everyday. They know we have had to overcome stereotypes and racism, and now that we are winning the racism war, they are hedging their bets that we will not deny them access to our country based on the fear of racism. It's always "tricks" with them. But you can bet that their hate agenda and terrorist acts will not change. You are absolutely right about one thing for sure. They do NOT help us out in times of need, and I've never seen a Muslim at a flood, tornado, or fire, or other disaster lifting a hand to help. I'm not saying it couldn't or hasn't happened. I'm saying I have never seen it. But I saw a magnitude of Oklahomans pitching in to help after each and every tornado or fire that has occurred in our state.

Protect your loved ones. And as long as there are terrorist sleeper cells, keep those bomb filled softballs and Muslims alike....at a huge distance. It's your best bet for safety. And it may be sad to say, but I'd rather see a terrorist laying dead on the ground than my child! Peace

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So if we keep your softball analogy that would mean 50 percent of Muslim are terrorists. The thing is it is probably closer to 0.0001 percent. Remember there are over a billion Muslims in the world and only a handful are radicalized.

Besides all of that what about Christians? Look at all of the security the planned parenthood clinics have had to implement because of crazy people who call themselves Christians either shooting up the place or firebombing it. What about the self proclaimed Christians in the KKK who terrorize black people?

Your response is so filled with presuppositions and false equivalencies and it is pretty much exactly what I was talking about.

And about the disaster thing. Do you survey the religions of all of the volunteers? Because I have no idea how you could reach that conclusion.

Sufi is a branch of Islam also. In our country we have an organization called Gift of the Givers, of Sufi origin, which has given R1.4 billion in aid in the past 23 years to victims of earthquakes, tsunamis and other disasters, and is Africa's biggest disaster relief organization. Their website states they help everyone in need irrespective of race, religion, culture, political affiliation or geographical location, unconditionally. They are there to build bridges not ask questions about religious beliefs. This is in keeping with their Divine Injunction.

Their injunction seems in total contrast to the one the extremists seem to think they have from their god to destroy all those whom don't agree with them.

That's a valid point. However, there is a difference between disagreement of god/creationism by those who may be atheist/believe in science and derogatory ridicule, which is I assume what you're implying.
I agree that ridicule of others' beliefs should be avoided. However, disagreement is valid.

Certain people get too emotional. I can understand how upsetting the recent San Bernardino attack was, as it is upsetting even for a non-American like myself to read about, but for a "Christian" woman to approach some Muslim guys who were praying in a park in San Fran, and accuse them of worshipping satan, and throwing her coffee in their faces, that's unacceptable, as they were harming no one and two wrongs don't make a right.

Such folk throw oil on the fire.

To the OP, suspicion and hate are not synonymous.

I can be suspicious and not hate someone. What you term as suspicion, I prefer to think of as being cautious and prudent.

Would you fault someone for being cautious, if the were not motivated by hate or fear, but by interest of preserving their own well being?

Present it that way, and the discussion changes a bit.

I don't trust aspies either, except for myself. Other aspies freak me out and I avoid them in real life.

Suspicion of an entire religious group based on the actions of a very small amount of crazy people is irrational. Xenophobia can be fear, hate or both. Generally the hate comes from fear anyway.

If I were to be nervous around black people based on the actions of a few criminals than I would be rightly labeled as a racist. So no I don't think it changes the conversation at all.

It's interesting how the human brain unwillingly labels black people as (potential) criminals. My brain does this, but I try not to let my unconscious racism control my behavior.

It's analogous to snakes.

Some are poisonous, and most aren't.

To minimize risk, when in doubt, people judge all of them as potentially poisonous.

The difference is that you can tell a poisonous snake from a non poisonous snake just by looking at it. The same cannot be said of people. I don't see that as a very good analogy.

Most people can't tell poisonous from non-poisonous.

Most people don't even know the type of snake.

"It's impossible to tell for sure if a snake is venomous"
http://www.snake-removal.com/venomous.html

Seems a good analogy to people in general...treat everyone like potentially dangerous, I mean there is no way of knowing if the Muslim woman sitting next to you or the well typical looking highschool aged guy, or the random large person that looks like they could kick some a** is actually going to present a threat or not. I don't see how it makes sense to just be cautious/concerned about Muslims when there are plenty of other dangerous people aside from Islamic extremists to worry about. Also while people might feel scared if they see someone dressed like a muslim walking about minding their own business...imagine how the average Muslim just going about their business feels plenty of them are afraid of being assaulted and harassed.

It would seem all this talk of 'caution' and treating them like poisonous snakes also convinces people its ok to commit pre-mediated attacks because who knows maybe that Muslim they harass will turn out to be a terrorist after all.

Not everyone. Only every member of a group that causes you fear, like the snakes.

Not all groups are feared.

Alternate example:
Around bums my mom would suddenly shout "Lock the doors"! She judged all "bums" as potentially dangerous.

Asperger's is a disability, not a religion. A religion has core beliefs, and therein lies the problem. Asperger's syndrome just is a communication difficulty which many people read the wrong way and treat the person with the disability like trash. Some just don't put up with being treated like trash anymore and do so in an overly violent manner. That's not a religion, that's behaving like a postal worker. When you have a religion which demonizes the Jewish people and Christians and makes conquering the world, through violence if necessary, and lying in order to further their faith, then you have a problem. Asperger's syndrome is nothing like the mental pathology of that religion in particular.

I don't think Penn Jillette, or anyone else for that matter, gets everything right all of the time. I do think this video about how Americans, and other people, think of the word "Christian" has a lot to do with how we think of the word "Muslim". I mean, who are we talking about? We're going to ban "all Muslims", even if they're Kurdish, Suffis, Shiia, Yazidi and so on, even though we are close trade allies with Wahhabist Sunnis in the Gulf States, who most closely resemble the ideology of ISIS, which considers ALL of the others (including the Sunni Monarchies) to be heretics?

Also keep in mind that there would be almost no way of knowing whether or not a person is Muslim. Not all Arabs or Middle Eastern people are Muslim. Not all Muslims wear special religious clothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od7v16QOGrI