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14 Dec 2015, 1:40 pm

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Because the plainness is representative of an irreligious society, there's no fun, no tolerance for belief, no allowance of celebration other than for founders of communism (red) that forces the atheism and totalitarianism upon said society that was splintered to the point of such takeover to where said totalitarianism was created and different beliefs were lost or forced out.


Absolutely!

What's next? Christmas being represented by a jolly fat man dressed in all red?

How irreligious, and commie pinko can you get?



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15 Dec 2015, 3:44 am

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They are red around christmas time -> they are red to celebrate christmas
Now they celebrate christmas without and seasonal greetings, which is bad.

Of course, this is america, so if they said "merry christmas", they'd be attacked for singeling out christians; there's no winning the PC battle, which is why i myself don't even play.


I actually don't think very many non-christians would really give a crap if the cups said merry Christmas, i certainly wouldn't care. Of course I know this group assumes everyone is so offended by the word christmas, and that must be the reason or maybe starbucks just didn't care to print up festive cups who cares? Or maybe starbucks isn't ran by people who celebrate Christmas...that's a possibility to. Just an example of people making a non-issue into an issue.

Nah, not by the non-christians, those usually don't give a crap.
It's the christians themselves in an attempt to be "PC" that will hate on starbucks for not including other religions (for some reason)



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15 Dec 2015, 3:55 am

This isn't a real social issue, or it wasn't anyways until the media took off with it.



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15 Dec 2015, 1:31 pm

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This isn't a real social issue, or it wasn't anyways until the media took off with it.


Its still not a real social issue, just a media craze.


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15 Dec 2015, 1:41 pm

izzeme wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
izzeme wrote:
They are red around christmas time -> they are red to celebrate christmas
Now they celebrate christmas without and seasonal greetings, which is bad.

Of course, this is america, so if they said "merry christmas", they'd be attacked for singeling out christians; there's no winning the PC battle, which is why i myself don't even play.


I actually don't think very many non-christians would really give a crap if the cups said merry Christmas, i certainly wouldn't care. Of course I know this group assumes everyone is so offended by the word christmas, and that must be the reason or maybe starbucks just didn't care to print up festive cups who cares? Or maybe starbucks isn't ran by people who celebrate Christmas...that's a possibility to. Just an example of people making a non-issue into an issue.

Nah, not by the non-christians, those usually don't give a crap.
It's the christians themselves in an attempt to be "PC" that will hate on starbucks for not including other religions (for some reason)



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15 Dec 2015, 1:44 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Feyokien wrote:
This isn't a real social issue, or it wasn't anyways until the media took off with it.


Its still not a real social issue, just a media craze.

It is SO a real social issue.

Along with abortion and general antipathy toward all things PC.

Culture war!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !


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15 Dec 2015, 2:05 pm

So...

are we supposed to be offended because they did not print the words "Merry Christmas" on the cups? And therefore are part of the "War On Christmas"?

Or are we supposed to be offended because they didnt print "Merry Christmas,AND happy hannukka,AND happy Kwanzaa, et etc" and all of that?

I am eager to join in with my indignation. But I am confused as to what thing that I am supposed be indignant about.



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15 Dec 2015, 2:19 pm

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Haven't people ever heard of a sharpie marker? one can always bring one of those with and write/draw whatever the hell they want to on their coffee cup.

For instance
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But for the angry Christians they can write merry Christmas, and instead of doing a satanic goats head pentagram they can turn the Starbucks symbol thingy into a Christmas tree or something instead.

LOL when I see a red cup I think keg party.Very festive.


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15 Dec 2015, 4:00 pm

I really just don't get the people who feel like there is a 'War on Christmas'. As a non-Christian American, I find it difficult to overstate just how utterly dominant Christian culture is in our society and how much it permeates your life even if you don't want it to - it can't really be avoided short of becoming a hermit living in the woods. Plus the raw numbers of Christians - in the US something like 65-70% of people identify themselves as Christian - the remainder identify themselves as atheist/agnostic or other religions - so Christians basically outnumber all other groups combined by 2x. So it seems a bit disingenuous or overly fearful for Christians to be going around acting as if their religion is under some sort of actual threat. If all the other groups got together (despite all their differences, making it very unlikely) to engage in some sort of 'war on Christmas', they'd be outnumbered 2:1 and last I checked, we still at least pretend to live in a democracy. The real "threat", I suppose, would be a greater need for them to accommodate other religious points of view and not be able to dominate as they do today - basically they act as if they'd be unhappy being equal rather than dominant whereas other groups would be happy just to be equal rather than inferior.

Any how, we're talking coffee cups. If Starbucks replaced "Merry Christmas" with "Happy Chanukah" or "Ramadan Mubarak" or some other religious phrase, I wouldn't agree with them but I could understand them being upset a little. But a plain cup? Yeesh.



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15 Dec 2015, 6:19 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
So...

are we supposed to be offended because they did not print the words "Merry Christmas" on the cups? And therefore are part of the "War On Christmas"?

Or are we supposed to be offended because they didnt print "Merry Christmas,AND happy hannukka,AND happy Kwanzaa, et etc" and all of that?

I am eager to join in with my indignation. But I am confused as to what thing that I am supposed be indignant about.


I think the offense is supposed to be about the words Merry Christmas not being on the cups. At least that is the way I understood it.


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18 Dec 2015, 12:30 pm

I Googled this.

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Seems they used to have Christmas images on the cups and that's been stripped and people are angry. It all seems very silly though. Now I could understand it if Starbucks had come under pressure and caved in, but I don't think that's the case.



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18 Dec 2015, 1:05 pm

Manufactured offense at work.


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20 Dec 2015, 6:07 am

There's no controversy. There never was, even a little bit. One or two TV preachers said something about it (and donald trump?), but people have forgotten TV preachers have throughout the history of television said ridiculous and outrageous things about christianity in the name of profit and attention.. as has donald trump. This was blown up because the liberal social media loves to poke fun at anything christians say or do unfavorable to promote their own agenda.


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21 Dec 2015, 1:29 am

I'm sorry, to me it all seems so... well... dumb.

This whole idea of whether an organization is celebrating a holiday too much, or not enough... Who the f**k cares? This whole discussion seems like South Park script.

Why does it even matter? Whether you're offended by religious ideas or by irreligious ideas. Why do you need your coffee provider to share your view on holidays?

This is so much unimportant, that it's not even the most important issue regarding Starbucks, which is, their coffee is s**t.



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21 Dec 2015, 1:42 am

comedy gold for alien civilizations. comedy flipping gold.


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