24 Dec 2015, 3:42 pm
25 Dec 2015, 1:31 am
25 Dec 2015, 2:09 am
Inventor wrote:
Putin is a bit defensive, but last summer the line of NATO tanks running a hundred meters from the Russian border, and the threat of first strike atomic missiles being based in Poland, can make people defensive.
The International Brokered deal for early elections in Ukraine was violated by a Coup a few days later.
History still drives us, the Soviets fought the Bandera for five years after the war ended in Germany, because they continued killing Russians and Poles. North Western Ukraine was part of Poland, populated by Polish people, but became Ukraine because the Soviets fought the Bandera into the fifties there. It remained a war zone.
Bandera was never an army, they were murdering gangs, they killed Russians, Poles, Hungarians, and slaughtered women, children, old people. Even terrorists are defined as seeking a political goal through violence, Bandera did not have a political goal, violence and horror were their goal.
That they are marching in the streets of Kiev, being part of the government, being part of the army, is honoring a serial killer cult. It is like a government supporting the Turks returning to slaughter Christians.
A government by Coup that sent the army to murder 8,000 in Eastern Ukraine.
Regretfully we have people in the State Department who see starting WWIII with the Russians as job security. Like the Governor of Odessa, when he was President of Georgia, who tried to start a war with Russia as a fast track to joining NATO.
Putin is playing the hand he was dealt, countering aggression, taking a few provinces in Georgia, all of Crimea, and stopping the slaughter of Russian speaking Ukrainians along his western border. He could have been in Kiev in a week and returned the elected President. He has chosen to involve Europe in restoring peace, and giving Kiev enough rope to hang themselves.
In free and fair elections, the richer and industrial eastern and southern parts of Ukraine, who speak Russian, would win against the Western Ukraine of poverty and small farms.
If it comes to Civil War, with the element of surprise and the full force of the army, Bandera, Rights Sector, Private Armies, Kiev has lost twice to the civilians of the Eastern Oblasts.
The problem is, no one wants Western Ukraine. Eastern Ukraine, Novo Russia, does not want it, Russia does not want it, Europe does not want it, and I think Poland and Hungry have border problems with them. Kiev was a Russian city of history, they do not want it back.
They are broke, they have defaulted on their debt, everything has been stolen, like all Social Payments, cheap gas and food, and now the dogs of the Coup Government, the Bandera, the Rights Sector, fight each other in the ruins over the scraps and knawed bones.
A Federal System, with free and fair democratic elections in every Oblast, Self rule, home rule, represented by their own in a Federal System, is the only way out of this mess.
The International Brokered deal for early elections in Ukraine was violated by a Coup a few days later.
History still drives us, the Soviets fought the Bandera for five years after the war ended in Germany, because they continued killing Russians and Poles. North Western Ukraine was part of Poland, populated by Polish people, but became Ukraine because the Soviets fought the Bandera into the fifties there. It remained a war zone.
Bandera was never an army, they were murdering gangs, they killed Russians, Poles, Hungarians, and slaughtered women, children, old people. Even terrorists are defined as seeking a political goal through violence, Bandera did not have a political goal, violence and horror were their goal.
That they are marching in the streets of Kiev, being part of the government, being part of the army, is honoring a serial killer cult. It is like a government supporting the Turks returning to slaughter Christians.
A government by Coup that sent the army to murder 8,000 in Eastern Ukraine.
Regretfully we have people in the State Department who see starting WWIII with the Russians as job security. Like the Governor of Odessa, when he was President of Georgia, who tried to start a war with Russia as a fast track to joining NATO.
Putin is playing the hand he was dealt, countering aggression, taking a few provinces in Georgia, all of Crimea, and stopping the slaughter of Russian speaking Ukrainians along his western border. He could have been in Kiev in a week and returned the elected President. He has chosen to involve Europe in restoring peace, and giving Kiev enough rope to hang themselves.
In free and fair elections, the richer and industrial eastern and southern parts of Ukraine, who speak Russian, would win against the Western Ukraine of poverty and small farms.
If it comes to Civil War, with the element of surprise and the full force of the army, Bandera, Rights Sector, Private Armies, Kiev has lost twice to the civilians of the Eastern Oblasts.
The problem is, no one wants Western Ukraine. Eastern Ukraine, Novo Russia, does not want it, Russia does not want it, Europe does not want it, and I think Poland and Hungry have border problems with them. Kiev was a Russian city of history, they do not want it back.
They are broke, they have defaulted on their debt, everything has been stolen, like all Social Payments, cheap gas and food, and now the dogs of the Coup Government, the Bandera, the Rights Sector, fight each other in the ruins over the scraps and knawed bones.
A Federal System, with free and fair democratic elections in every Oblast, Self rule, home rule, represented by their own in a Federal System, is the only way out of this mess.
I once read an article indeed quite biased because I wrote it our Polish historian who lost his family, murdered by Bandera.
The historian said that Ukraine was never really a real state, but a garbage dump, where the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Kingdom of Hungary and the Russian tsardom , got rid of criminals and other antisocial individuals that Ukraine was such a country as the nineteenth century Australia, a penal colony for Polish Russia and Hungary
But I think it's a little exaggerated opinion.
Some of our Polish historians believe that you should not compare the Polish national liberation struggle, and our uprisings, the revolt in Ukraine.
Because even when they were partitions, and Russia, Prussia (later Germany) and Austria occupied our lands, were Polish freedom fighters and our patriots have never attacked civilians, Russian or German who tried to "settle" on our lands, their goal It was the only military personnel and officials of the occupying powers, and Banderowy murdered everyone regardless of whether it was a military, civilian, woman or child, but it was enough that it was not Ukrainian.
25 Dec 2015, 4:47 am
