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12 Feb 2016, 3:20 pm

However we have a congestion charge in parts of London.



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12 Feb 2016, 3:23 pm

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There is a gasoline tax but most funding for roads comes from state's general funds or the federal government


We have VAT on many products. Do you have loopholes/cheats like red diesel and cooking oil diesel?



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12 Feb 2016, 3:27 pm

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Either you pay road tax or you have tolls. Your call.
"Pay me now or pay me later", in other words, eh?


If we moved more to a toll system it is unlikely to be cash based.

Even buses no longer accept cash in London.

I pay for public transport directly off my debit card through a system called contactless. Or you can use an oyster card.

I always been surprised how long it take the US to adopt technologies like chip an pin, and contactless. You would have thought it would adopted it there first.



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12 Feb 2016, 3:34 pm

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I'd prefer toll over tax as long as it's reasonable and going where it's supposed to go. That way only the actual users of said highway or bridge are paying.


In the US your roads are paid for by unspecific taxes or specific taxes for roads?

We have something called road tax.


Not all freeways and bridges collect tolls (most don't) so anything that doesn't is paid by taxes.


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12 Feb 2016, 3:50 pm

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Not all freeways and bridges collect tolls (most don't) so anything that doesn't is paid by taxes.


Sure I bet that is similar to the UK if you scale up. The UK is small, so one toll road isn't surprising. Toll bridges an tunnels are more common due to maintenance.



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13 Feb 2016, 10:09 pm

America has had RFID systems for 20 or more years; we just haven't put them everywhere yet. Here's a link to the leader in RFID technology for motor vehicles: https://www.transcore.com/rfid



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14 Feb 2016, 10:15 am

0_equals_true wrote:
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I'd prefer toll over tax as long as it's reasonable and going where it's supposed to go. That way only the actual users of said highway or bridge are paying.


In the US your roads are paid for by unspecific taxes or specific taxes for roads?

We have something called road tax.


We pay taxes for roads on a state level with gasoline taxes which are set by states, which is why gasoline prices vary from state to state. Diesel fuel OTOH is subject to a Federal tax which is used to pay for a good portion of Interstate highway upkeep. --Diesel prices do not fluctuate from state to statee, but it costs more that gasoline.


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14 Feb 2016, 6:36 pm

Diesel is more expensive? Wow that surprises me. Petrol is more expensive in the UK.

Code:
               Avg        Min      Max
Unleaded       101.96p    98.9p    119.9p
Diesel         101.08p    96.7p    117.9p
Super Unleaded 112.10p    101.9p   139.9p
Premium Diesel 113.49p    103.9p   129.9p
LPG            55.69p     47.7p    61.9p


Are agricultural vehicles exempt? We have something called "red diesel", which is died gas oil for tractors, excavators, cranes, etc. If you run it on the road in HGVs and other vehicles you are breaking the law.



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15 Feb 2016, 5:59 am

0_equals_true wrote:

Are agricultural vehicles exempt? We have something called "red diesel", which is died gas oil for tractors, excavators, cranes, etc. If you run it on the road in HGVs and other vehicles you are breaking the law.


We have the same here. The Diesel sold for road use is 'Ultra Low Sulphur' to conform to US EPA Tier 2 and Tier 3 emissions guidelines. The stuff sold as 'Off Road' Diesel has a higher Sulphur content and is also dyed red to denote the fact. --Just as in the UK/EU, running red diesel on-road is illegal, but not because of emissions in the case of older engines, but because you are road taxation.

Then again from what I've seen with newer earth moving equipment, the engines used have stickered warnings on them that specify the use of Ultra Low Sulphur diesel only, so the days of off road diesel may be coming to an end here. -- I think that using normal 'red diesel' may be bad for the injectors, valves, turbochargers and such for ULS Diesel specified engines.

Furthermore, Military vehicles other than civilian type cars, pickup trucks, busses and the like are emissions exempt and run on JP-5, which is not exactly the same as civilian diesel.


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