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12 May 2016, 8:23 am

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Unless the guy has a previous record, they'll probably let him off with a "caution," anyway. Maybe have him do community service or something.

Courts have the tendency to be much more objective, most of the time, than most police.

He shouldn't even be cautioned.

Hate crime charge. Where exactly is the hate?



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12 May 2016, 8:23 am

I would tend to agree, at least partially, with what you say.

Making a big deal out of things does sort of lend a sense of legitimacy to these "things."



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12 May 2016, 8:25 am

I don't believe he should have his civil liberties tampered with. I don't believe he should be put on some database/public record. I believe the "caution" should only be able to be accessed by the police.

But I believe he should be made aware of the impact of this.



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12 May 2016, 9:06 am

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I don't believe he should have his civil liberties tampered with. I don't believe he should be put on some database/public record. I believe the "caution" should only be able to be accessed by the police.

But I believe he should be made aware of the impact of this.

What impact? What would you say to him? Why would you want him to be cautioned? What reason are we meddling in this guy's life for?

Can you imagine a poster of a dog doing a Hitler salute and Hitler's face over that dog in nazi Germany? The Nazis would not think this was a good thing.



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12 May 2016, 9:18 am

I don't care what the Nazis think. I care about what I think.

It's my opinion.

I feel like the guy is "meddling" in my life by imposing this crap on me.



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12 May 2016, 9:23 am

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I don't care what the Nazis think. I care about what I think.

It's my opinion.

I feel like the guy is "meddling" in my life by imposing this crap on me.

How is he imposing it on you? No one made you watch it. Has it done anything more than annoy you?



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12 May 2016, 9:59 am

Yeah, it's annoying me. It's also reinforcing what occurred in the past. It's making it "acceptable" on some level. That's my stance on this.

It's a subjective opinion--yet I don't care. I'm sticking to it.

In reality, I probably wouldn't have a strong opinion about it, if I knew the guy, and I knew him to be all right.



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12 May 2016, 10:00 am

I understand your stance---but it's an abstract, philosophical stance.

It might not apply in the real world.



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12 May 2016, 10:26 am

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Yeah, it's annoying me. It's also reinforcing what occurred in the past. It's making it "acceptable" on some level. That's my stance on this.

It's a subjective opinion--yet I don't care. I'm sticking to it.

In reality, I probably wouldn't have a strong opinion about it, if I knew the guy, and I knew him to be all right.

About the guy, I don't know if it is him for sure, but I'd be surprised if anyone else would create such a post, this his explanation:

http://genjutsu-01.tumblr.com/post/1434 ... ppened-the

As for the rest, well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.



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12 May 2016, 10:28 am

If he's really parodying the Nazis, I have no problem with it.

It's a risky move, though.

Brits are sensitive about the Nazis--for good reason.

Think of the Blitz.

People have to be sensitive to the impact of certain things on other people.

I also understand the "civil liberties" aspect of it.

I wouldn't go around protesting if he WASN'T arrested. I just understand why he WAS. I don't think this should go on his permanent record, though--especially if he is made to read up a bit on the Nazis.



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12 May 2016, 12:10 pm

Wanting someone to be punished for expressing an unpopular opinion is, ironically, kind of Nazi-ish.



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12 May 2016, 1:21 pm

There's unpopular opinions....and then there's opinions which go beyond the Absurd. It's a matter of degrees, really

Like if someone LOVED the fact that ISIS was beheading all these people.

I am a strong advocate of freedom of speech. I've been lambasted HERE, and never have reported anybody.

I feel people have the right to say what they want. People also have the right to reject what that person is saying in vociferous terms.



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12 May 2016, 1:56 pm

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Sieg Heil, and the Nazi Salute are a symbol of what occurred in the concentration camps.

Just like an imitation of beheading somebody is a symbol of what ISIS does.

Like I said, the man shouldn't have been arrested--but the man really should not be allowed to do these sorts of things.

I don't care what people say about the "irrelevance" of the Nazis in today's society. The fact is: they killed millions of people simply because they were not of the "Aryan" race (whatever that means!)

I guess, personally, if I knew it was a parody of the Nazis, I might laugh, too.

But still....it's misguided what the guy did.



Not anymore then the American salute is a symbol for the mass slaughter of the native Americans.

You're comparing a salut to a beheading. So a military procedural of organization to a violent murder. They'll not the same.

Imitations of gaming people maybe.

Pure blood ideological Germans that never existed. teutonic knights And the such. They spent lots of money and military expenses trying to dig up proof but couldn't find any. Manly himmler who actually bought into the lies and planned the genocide, he was a true fanatic. Hitler and many other high ranking were simply power hungry and used the propganda and hatred of Jews as a means to a end, if not the Jews it'd been some other minority.

Quite a shame, the nazis did good for German and could have done much more good if they had been power hungry.
Hitler himself could been. A great artist if not for being rejected, by a Jew I beleive, probably why he picked that minority.

Overall ww1 is to blame for the nazis. How many good possible leaders died in it. Then the punishment on Germany for merely defending its ally when they were attacked. Caused hatred towards the allies and thengerman government. Along with a depression, perfect for power claim. Everyone so filled of hat and confusion. They'd been lied and told the war was going great up til they surrendered.

Oh what could of been.



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12 May 2016, 2:57 pm

The world would of been a very very different place had the US not gotten involved in WWI as Woodrow Wilson promised in his reelection campaign in 1916. If the US had stayed truly neutral then the war as it was fought in Europe could not of happen, the terms of that ended the war would of never happened, the Nazis and all the problems we have in the Middle East could of maybe been averted.



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12 May 2016, 3:08 pm

The Nazis did horrible, unspeakable things to people. Am man who had survived the Holocaust once said, "If you could lick my heart, it would poison you".

A guy who trains his dog to respond to Nazi phrases is not needed in this world. Jail is too good for him. Being used as a living human test subject for war might give him an idea what it was like for the victims. But that would be "wrong". :roll:



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12 May 2016, 3:42 pm

IMO, if some concentration camps were still functioning, this idiot should be forced to live in one and understand how much pain Jews experienced at the hands of the Nazis.


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