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25 Jun 2016, 9:34 pm

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25 Jun 2016, 9:40 pm

"The real division is not between the old and young..."

For those of us who would rather think more deeply rather than appeal to fatuous and simplistic dichotomies, this:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... e-eu-liars



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25 Jun 2016, 11:19 pm

No, sending out your average pensioner to fight in a war is not a good idea.
Maybe the people who decide to go to war (usually politicians and higher up military officers) should be sent out to fight?

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about the old people...
two words:
soylent.
green.
Nah, better to soylent green the young. The meat's more tender and they are the ones who will increase the already too numerous population. Cheers! :P


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26 Jun 2016, 12:13 am

Be patient child. The war will come to all of us.


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26 Jun 2016, 12:19 am

This thread makes me recall the very famous quote of what may happen if you stare into the abyss..

(For there be monsters, and the possibility of becoming one of the monsters can become a reality)

“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche



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26 Jun 2016, 1:02 am

MooToo, I hope a 70 year old vet knocks you on your ass.



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26 Jun 2016, 1:31 am

so some full of themselves urban yuppies think being poor is akin to a disease or other yucky thing? how special.



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26 Jun 2016, 4:51 am

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so. a 73 year old and a 50 year old tell us that the pensioners lived through ww2. That was your parents.
2 years military service before voting rights? - now that sounds like a certain way to world peace.

as an older millennial, I stand with my younger peers.

was it not our grandparents, who lived through nationalist insanity, and decided to try for a pan-european solution, so europe would not tear itself up again?
and is it not the generation of the now 50 to 73 years olds, who managed the EU in such a way, that it would become a paradise for big transnational corporations, deadlocked for democracy?
did your generation decide to start pointless wars, just so we would have an opportunity to serve our country? is that what afghanistan is about? now- that finally makes sense.

you tell us that we are the entitled ones, because we got to go to school for 20 years, instead of "work". now that we are out of school and haunted by student loans, you are the CEOs trying to keep minimum wage low, try to avoid paying taxes and refuse to hire us on anything but a short-time contract.
well, thanks for the lego. we'll be building our houses from it, as we can't afford to live in the ones you're renting to us.

oh, and by the way, in our 20 years of going to school, we learned that free education is a brilliant idea for a national economy, and that if we don't manage to cut carbon emissions, w're all doomed.
well, just a reminder, it's your generation that had the chance for making changes to that. ours still can barely afford cars. and you built us an EU that is incapable of getting its s**t togethe against VW.

no, sending pensioners to wars is not a good idea.
just stop wars entirely and get rid of that idiotic idea of nation states and serving your country by killing people in other countries.
our grandparents started the EU so w would talk with each other.

about the old people...
two words:
soylent.
green.


Wow, what upset. You are really angry about something.

But let me assure you that at no time were either Gingerpickles or myself or anyone in our families (OK jump in now GP) ever in charge of any part of making the decisions you describe. Really; I'm telling the truth.

Are you unaware of who runs the government? Do you really think the "Pensioners" ever had a say in wars or minimum wage? Would you like to buy a bridge in N.Y.City?

Time to pull together guy. This is Democracy we're talking about here. In a Democracy you get one vote, and I get one vote, and if you vote differently than me I respect you for your decision. If something needs to be changed, there are ways to do this...get involved.

Cheers!


Our political votes are largely irrelevant in times of TTIP, TISA and TINA.
We make our decisions through our choice of consumption now, and the indebted youth does not get the same power as everyone else here.


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26 Jun 2016, 6:12 am

I wonder if the OP gets off on being attacked.

I wonder if, maybe, he's trying to stir the drink a little bit.



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26 Jun 2016, 9:23 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I wonder if the OP gets off on being attacked.

I wonder if, maybe, he's trying to stir the drink a little bit.


Naw. nobody like being attacked. And very few wanna imbibe in a Clamato with chocolate milk.
Well I guess I'll say a majority in all creatures that attack is not preferred.

I seriously believe he was looking for an echo chamber and that he is sincerely gone off the rails at the thought of adapting to a different world than he had planned for(which most of us can relate to by condition to a small part).
He is lashing out because he has no tools taught for perseverance.

But where a majority of NTs and the manners conditioned generations will not say things as extreme because social conditioning, he is blurting it all out in it's ugly truth, how these last generations thinking is (and now we know how policies went so far wrong in last 15 year that have led to near revolt of the "old" non free college era and working class.

We trusted the kids to drive the car for a while on our trip home, we fell asleep, they hit a ditch on way on shortcut to unapproved destination, so now we decided to drive the rest of the way while they fume in the back seat.


He'll calm down after a while...I hope.


Don't want to be like the mom that rants for weeks over the spilled milk and broken glass but leaves it on the floor.


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26 Jun 2016, 9:57 am

But he's taken it to an irrational extreme.

And he needs to know this.

He's looking for a scapegoat. That's sort of scary because Hitler also looked for, and found, a scapegoat (The Jews).

Not that I believe he would go that far in his thoughts---but I believe, obviously, that he has to look at this more objectively. He has to realize the "the old people" didn't cause Brexit to occur.

He has to stop putting all old people into one category, and he has to see old people as individuals who are struggling just like he is struggling.



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26 Jun 2016, 10:11 am

One day, Mootoo will be old, and it will be his turn to put up with crap from butt-hurt young people who didn't get what they wanted.



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26 Jun 2016, 4:13 pm

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Cheers!


YOU SAID: Our political votes are largely irrelevant in times of TTIP, TISA and TINA.
We make our decisions through our choice of consumption now, and the indebted youth does not get the same power as everyone else here.

These are very troubling times. It may seem the younger generation has less power, but this is usually because older people have worked their whole lives to gain the appearance of having some control (through possessions, vacations, etc.), although this is only appearances. On the older folks backs comes raising a family properly...this is a task unto itself.....then one more generation further we get to play with health care and pharmaceutical greed.

I guess what I'm saying is everyone gets F'd in the end...except our powerful rulers (and their loyal cronies: you will know them by the size of their fortunes).

This loss of "sovereignty" is a crusher....we hear things here such as (example only...not an actual occurrence, as far as I know): EXAMPLE ONLY
Consumer: "What do you mean we have to eat cancerous pork from China"
Pol: "I'm afraid so. It's part of the International Trade Agreement you know. Nothing to be done about it I'm afraid. Is there anything else I can help you with?"
This is unacceptable but happening now.

As I said elsewhere, It's only the toughness of the British that made them victorious after hundreds of years of invasion and foreign control....why would you give away your sovereignty to others, their promises? Maybe people who've had bombs dropped on them have a different perspective.

People need to stand together and refuse to be divided.



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26 Jun 2016, 4:15 pm

B19 wrote:
Your gross generalisations are really very unpleasant and offensive . I hope you acquire more discernment in years to come (when you are old maybe?)


This is all because he was butthurt because the EU referendum didn't go his way.

The ageism that has come out of the Remain camp is appalling.



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26 Jun 2016, 4:16 pm

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I don't always agree with O'Neill, but he's bang on here.



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26 Jun 2016, 7:51 pm

How about sending the under 30's to war.