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What is your opinion on outsourcing/free trade?
For- it is efficient 42%  42%  [ 5 ]
For- I think it helps the world 17%  17%  [ 2 ]
Against- It hurts American jobs 25%  25%  [ 3 ]
Against- It hurts the rest of the world 8%  8%  [ 1 ]
Neutral- I don't know enough about it to say 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Neutral- both sides have their point, it is hard to say 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
AG: are you bored? 8%  8%  [ 1 ]
Total votes : 12

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06 May 2007, 3:48 pm

Outsourcing American company's jobs to other countries (like call centers) is completely wrong. The stupid bastard corporatist CEOs are just trying to fill their fat wallets with even more money while contributing to unemployment. Hurrah!



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06 May 2007, 3:48 pm

Kosmonaut wrote:
when was that ?
ha ha you must be on different drugs than me :lol:

You said that you held positions with the US government in defense and that you had access to higher level documents, now, perhaps I did jump to a conclusion there, however, the possibility that you are not an American sounds slight given that information.



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06 May 2007, 3:51 pm

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well it would not be the first time you have been wrong.
me american ? i dont think so :lol:

All people have been wrong at one point. Really though, not knowing about trade issues is very unusual.



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06 May 2007, 3:51 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Kosmonaut wrote:
when was that ?
ha ha you must be on different drugs than me :lol:

You said that you held positions with the US government in defense and that you had access to higher level documents, now, perhaps I did jump to a conclusion there, however, the possibility that you are not an American sounds slight given that information.

no
not american defense; although i have worked on collaborative projects.

BTW do you trade in currency?



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06 May 2007, 3:53 pm

Kosmonaut wrote:
BTW do you trade in currency?

Me? I do not. I do read about currency traders somewhat.



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06 May 2007, 3:57 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Kosmonaut wrote:
BTW do you trade in currency?

Me? I do not. I do read about currency traders somewhat.


Why do you not use your vast knowledge.
Seriously, it's easy. I know jack-shit and show profit.



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06 May 2007, 4:02 pm

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Why do you not use your vast knowledge.
Seriously, it's easy. I know jack-sh** and show profit.

Why not? It doesn't seem like the best choice at this point. I probably could take advantage of more investment opportunities I suppose, I would rather do something with more stability and needing less expertise at this point though but I might look into that or other measure later. Usually the currency trade is done by institutional investors anyway.



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06 May 2007, 4:04 pm

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I'm against slavery, period. First we enslave the native americans, then we enslave the blacks, now we're enslaving Chinese. What's the difference?
I mean yeah, the Chinese do technically have a choice, a choice to be slaves or starve to death. That's really not much of a choice though. Slavery is just wrong, we need to find a better way of producing our own goods.


This demeans every person that actually was enslaved in the slave trade. It also misses the point of the actual forced labor that goes on in China, which is rather irregular, but does still does occur. It is not however Americans who are doing the enslaving of Chinese prisoners but the Chinese communist party leadership. The question is whether or not America is make that problem worse or better, and the morality of trading with such a regime (this assumes the objection is not against free trade generally).

A legitimate argument can be made regarding trade with China. I myself opposed most favored nation status with China (although I feel the consequences of revoking it would negate the benefits). However, it must be noted, that China before free trade was in far more dilapidated condition then it was now. It was essentially a nation of labor camps before the economic (rather then political) reforms of Deng Xiaoping, and his successors. Since then, especially along the coastline, China has experienced a economic surge that has allowed a middle class to develop. These reforms (forced labor not being a reform), which have included selling off state owned properties, have been denounced by many on the far-left as "capitalist" and ruining the "classless society" and the "benefits" of socialism that Mao-Tse Tung had created (although China maintains much of it's socialist centralist structure, and only recently added property rights to it's constitution), are precisely what has brought China out of the stark poverty it used to maintain.


American corporations like Nike and Wal-Mart employ slave labor to obtain their goods.



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06 May 2007, 4:09 pm

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I have recently heard of a noted economist who has attacked the benefits free trade, however, you can take this however you want. I am not getting heavily involved other than for clarity and informational purposes.


Noted (ie: I could very well have been wrong).



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06 May 2007, 4:10 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Kosmonaut wrote:
Why do you not use your vast knowledge.
Seriously, it's easy. I know jack-sh** and show profit.

Why not? It doesn't seem like the best choice at this point. I probably could take advantage of more investment opportunities I suppose, I would rather do something with more stability and needing less expertise at this point though but I might look into that or other measure later. Usually the currency trade is done by institutional investors anyway.


Nah you can trade online. They recently changed US gambling laws, there are ways around it. But it has affected liquidity a lot.
How about the financial spreads? That's what i do. You can start off with pennies, i mean cents. So long as you don't go mental after a loss, fix yourself an amount you dont mind losing.
Its good fun.
:lol:



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06 May 2007, 4:13 pm

jimservo wrote:
Noted (ie: I could very well have been wrong).

I am not arguing that you are wrong at all sir. I am not trying to formally take a side. Alan Blinder, whose name has popped up recently a few times in the Wall Street Journal for his trade position, argues that many American jobs can be outsourced, a major part of the labor force. The fact that one person has voiced opposition really means nothing. Your position on free trade is quite defensible even with exceptions such as him. You could possibly look up statistics or things of that nature.

Really, I already have a position I have taken up, I want to see the rest of y'all argue it.



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06 May 2007, 4:17 pm

Kosmonaut wrote:
Nah you can trade online. They recently changed US gambling laws, there are ways around it. But it has affected liquidity a lot.
How about the financial spreads? That's what i do. You can start off with pennies, i mean cents. So long as you don't go mental after a loss, fix yourself an amount you dont mind losing.
Its good fun.
:lol:

I am saving up money, I cannot afford much in terms of losses at this point. Maybe later. I am reading on investment strategies though so that I might possibly learn how to beat the market. Not having a fear of loss and irrational reaction to loss is something important for investments such as that. I will probably look into investment more seriously once I have a better financial situation.



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06 May 2007, 4:21 pm

I'm for outsourcing because it helps put money into the pockets of those in less devolped nations and the factories mean that they need high end equipment for their running - equipment we and Japan can only manufacture.


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06 May 2007, 4:25 pm

Well, id say it's about 90% of the game. You can read all the books you want, and most have read them. But they still do their brains. :lol:
If you are aspie, then you may be like me and very logical with no emotional attachment ( especially to money, i mean that's ridiculous). Let these things work for you.



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06 May 2007, 4:25 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
What do people think about outsourcing/free trade? Is it good? Is it bad? Is it something that one isn't concerned about? Is it a new form of imperialism? Is it the world's savior? Pick the option that you see as most true.


I support Imperialism, but not Outsourcing which costs jobs. Outsourcing for low skill or mining industries is ok, so long as it is not totally exploiting the LEDCs, and funds are being put into development there. It depends.


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06 May 2007, 4:28 pm

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Well, id say it's about 90% of the game. You can read all the books you want, and most have read them. But they still do their brains. :lol:
If you are aspie, then you may be like me and very logical with no emotional attachment ( especially to money, i mean that's ridiculous). Let these things work for you.

The brains are important but analysis does require thought processes.

Right, I just am risk averse at this time. Like i said, I will probably invest later, however, at this point I would rather pick a good mutual fund as that requires less expertise and still gets a reasonably good return.