Anyone has had family members suddenly become Republican?

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05 Sep 2016, 10:29 am

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Dear Lord. Here we go again...
Could you not have put your "Trump is Hitler" circle jerk into another one of your "Trump is Hitler" threads?
Give it a break! Apply some self control with that New Topic button!


This. Tired of seeing dozens of variations on the same fanatical theme. Any chance a mod can nip it in the bud?


You two just noticed this thread now despite it being created two days ago? It's inevitable as long as the election itself is fanatical.


It may come as a shock to you, but I'm not glued to this site 24/7, waiting with bated breath for you to grace us with yet another thread.

The fact that it's election season is not a justification for anyone to flout the rules.



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05 Sep 2016, 10:34 am

What rules...? There's a bazillion threads about some random three-lettered acronym too... at least I'm not literally saying the same thing over.



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05 Sep 2016, 10:44 am

These rules:

WrongPlanet Rules. You Must Read This Before Posting.

They're pinned at the top of each sub-forum.



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05 Sep 2016, 11:10 am

Well, as mentioned, this is no duplicate thread, and if you desire megathreads they were created once but didn't seem to catch on with anyone.



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05 Sep 2016, 11:28 am

Please pardon the digression, as I am headed somewhere with this --

A couple of things I've noticed about Communism...

Countries, where the people are openly and plainly assumed to be communist, are called people's or democratic republics.

As the differences between either respective political wing are trivial, they are simply known as partisans or republicans.

In those countries, administrators and people of high, social status seem to be related. They are nominally in favor of workers rights, although not directly exposed to their living conditions.

:roll: Is this not at all comparable to our own middle class, who can switch from republican to democrat, to suit the situation?

Generally, the ultra rich would like to protect their wealth from taxation, and the ultra poor could use more benefits.

Across races, cultures, and oceans, these mannerisms are universal, in respect to your financial standing. It's just self preservation.



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05 Sep 2016, 11:41 am

I lived on a commune for the first few years of my life. My mother was as liberal as they came. Then she got Jesus, and that is how she is able to justify Trump. It comes down to her homophobia, her fear of immigrants and her belief that ALL life is sacred (abortion.) It is disgusting to see was her Pentecostal beliefs have done to her. We cannot even talk about any of this stuff or my head explodes.
So my conclusion: Jesus is the reason. (And no I do not think all Christians are bad but there are some ruining it for the rest.)


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05 Sep 2016, 11:55 am

Between Calvinists and Arminians, the charismatics are usually among the most radicalized, assuming they will go to Hell.

I have known deeply-insecure people with a past (one was a biker, tweeker and... ahem, masseuse.) And, there's this attitude of resolving their own sins by means of overachievement and unhinged, social graces. Their pastor was an "ex"gay. His vocal, elderly wife liked adolescent boys. I don't personally recall one exceptional example, from among these churches.

They enmesh themselves with local charities and teach still-flawed, less-than-contrite people, to lecture eachother and recruit more helpers. The state can railroad you for vagrancy, and you will have to go to church with these people, daily, as a punishment.



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05 Sep 2016, 12:31 pm

Mootoo wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
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Dear Lord. Here we go again...
Could you not have put your "Trump is Hitler" circle jerk into another one of your "Trump is Hitler" threads?
Give it a break! Apply some self control with that New Topic button!


This. Tired of seeing dozens of variations on the same fanatical theme. Any chance a mod can nip it in the bud?


You two just noticed this thread now despite it being created two days ago? It's inevitable as long as the election itself is fanatical.

Dude, are you serious? I've been working double shifts the whole weekend and I spotted this when I had a break from admin today. Not everyone has the benefit of free time to use a forum to flaunt their views until 6am every morning. I spotted this today because oddly enough, today was the last time i was free to view the forum from the last time I posted.

Alex is a liberal, many of the moderators are liberal, but eventually this will be seen as a breach of the rules in the stickies. Please listen to me when I say apply some self control. There are many liberals here (which I've said before) who do, and argue their points well against conservative points. Further more, they do not spam, or appeal to ignorance and emotion. They provide statistics, relative arguments and a lot more. They also don't design their arguments in a way that is rhetorical, closed, or intends for the opposing argument to fail before it has the chance to be posted (a foregone conclusion if you will).

This is a forum with intellectually mature topics and content, so please at least attempt to not spam it and apply your argument in a fashion that suits it.


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05 Sep 2016, 12:45 pm

Mass deportations, being interrupted due to moral degradation, wars fought on many fronts, and financial sabotage.

Dachau, Manzanar, or Maricopa County?

When you take a softened, revisionist tact, making excuses for celebrity dictators, calling someone a Hitler becomes sensible.

Maybe, these figureheads were legally blameless, and the atrocities were informal.

Jews reportedly liked Hitler's social programs, at first, and contributed valuable artifacts to his campaign. Japanese supposedly fought valiantly, on behalf of the Allies. And, members of our most notorious minorities support Trump.

If you must express your normalcy bias, then, I have a normal way of putting it.



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05 Sep 2016, 1:24 pm

Are you seriously suggesting a modern president will trick millions of its citizens and illegals into concentration camps through charismatic leadership? If you're not, then the Hitler and Nazi comparison seriously needs to stop. There's a reason Godwin's Law exists on the Internet and invoking it ridicules the invoker.


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05 Sep 2016, 1:31 pm

This is a good example why non-partisan political thinking is much better. It discussion on ideas not how evil the opposition is, which is what party political people tend to focus on.



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05 Sep 2016, 2:16 pm

Shardrenee wrote:
I lived on a commune for the first few years of my life. My mother was as liberal as they came. Then she got Jesus, and that is how she is able to justify Trump. It comes down to her homophobia, her fear of immigrants and her belief that ALL life is sacred (abortion.) It is disgusting to see was her Pentecostal beliefs have done to her. We cannot even talk about any of this stuff or my head explodes.
So my conclusion: Jesus is the reason. (And no I do not think all Christians are bad but there are some ruining it for the rest.)


Try to point out her cognitive dissonance in the fact that if life is sacred why should she disparage those already living, and not just fetuses... also, as far as I know her Jesus didn't blame everything on others and let fear and hate take over...

Spectrum, every time there is talk of deportation what exactly is there to serve as a watchdog for the logistics? Do you expect German people before the end of WWII to know what only the Nazi party mostly did in secret? Also, I wouldn't mind knowing what exactly makes for "for the opposing argument to fail before it has the chance to be posted"



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05 Sep 2016, 3:24 pm

TheSpectrum wrote:
Are you seriously suggesting a modern president will trick millions of its citizens and illegals into concentration camps through charismatic leadership? If you're not, then the Hitler and Nazi comparison seriously needs to stop. There's a reason Godwin's Law exists on the Internet and invoking it ridicules the invoker.


My rather-unusual surname, of about a dozen letters, is on a memorial column, and some of stories were relayed by innocent bystanders, with nothing to gain. I have no intention of trivializing the memories of my own family, or of those charitable people.

But, someone would disagree with them.

One of my grandparents was called a mischeling, on grounds of reported, religious observance, alone, so was used to sew flags on the uniforms. She saluted Hitler, from a distance, and was certain that nothing happened. It was probably very lucky for her, that her health problems were concealable.

If they go through with it, it's not going to be called by these words, which you don't like for us to use. History will not record it that way. Everything will seem formal, sanitized, and ordinary, because there is such a nice way of putting it. You can go read the original correspondences and records, for free, on the internet. I bet you can watch more propaganda than was available to the average German worker of that time. I defy you to find that anything really graphic ever happened, on an official level.

Germany, btw, was considered among the most liberal and technologically-advanced of all nations.

But, every meme and commercial appeals to something primitive in us.

If anything ever happens, he will be blameless and holy, as by a religious conviction.



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05 Sep 2016, 4:53 pm

If you say so. If you say so. :|


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06 Sep 2016, 6:20 pm

I haven't had any family members become Republican in recent times, in fact I know several who were Republican but are disgusted by the party's nominee this year. My grandpa actually cut off all contact with his brother when that brother became a Republican, and refused to have anything to do with him for the rest of his life.



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06 Sep 2016, 7:16 pm

http://www.wnd.com/2016/09/trump-as-ame ... orig=faith

It may never happen. I just find the cult dynamic unsettling.