People first, God second. Should people put themselves above

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30 Sep 2016, 6:24 am

God first.

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30 Sep 2016, 6:40 am

GnosticBishop wrote:

Before religions started thinking of God as a literal and real being, a more peaceful world, religiously speaking, home churches were the order of the day.

The Romans used to have household gods. To them everything was attached to the divine.

I'm not sure that organized religion has much of a future in the west. Technology is the new God, with celebrities as its face.

I don't think that charity will be forgotten; it is a human trait to be generous of spirit. Charity may become obsolete though. I think poverty is caused by untreated mental illness. Some people are not capable of participating in the economy. The education system was not equipped to handle them and they do not know the skills necessary to function.

In the future mental illness will likely be caught in childhood and the appropriate steps taken to support children; appropriate educational style, medication, etc. There will be less poverty because more people will be functional.

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30 Sep 2016, 4:15 pm

Early Christians also met in homes and caves.

Yes I have benefited from small house study's. (Of the Bible - not study of homes). Never been to one in a cave, yet.
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30 Sep 2016, 7:48 pm

God provides is wth the capacity to love in the first place. So Jesus commands that first we love Him and then we love our neighbours because He empowers us to do so. Everything has to be secondary to God. In placing everything second to God all things are transformed and transfigured. People being to glow and radiate divine light/ when seen with Divine insight. Seeing another human being (your enemy even) as a son of God is exhilarating, liberating and is in fact an ecstatic experience because you transcend hatred and petty emotion.

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30 Sep 2016, 7:58 pm

Yes, as He demonstrated in talking with the woman at the well.

Before knowing Him.

"For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out." Romans 7:18

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30 Sep 2016, 9:04 pm

GnosticBishop wrote:

People first, God second. Should people put themselves above God?

Absolutely...

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20 Oct 2016, 11:41 am

Barchan wrote:

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You love God by loving your fellow humans.

Mhm! Each human being is a part of God's creation.

No they do not.

Their God is some supernatural creator and that is not a person.

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20 Oct 2016, 11:45 am

Barchan wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

You love God by loving your fellow humans.

Mhm! Each human being is a part of God's creation.

Mhm! Are you saying that a God would create the human abominations shown in this link?

If so, why would a God creates such aberrations?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_-nHw0 ... r_embedded

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20 Oct 2016, 11:47 am

drlaugh wrote:

God first.

So you would put the unknowable and unfathomable ahead of the knowable and fathomable.

Why?

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20 Oct 2016, 11:55 am

androbot01 wrote:

GnosticBishop wrote:

Before religions started thinking of God as a literal and real being, a more peaceful world, religiously speaking, home churches were the order of the day.

Possibly.

What you might have forgotten is that Rome had many divinities and Gods. Even an unnamed God so it is doubtful that they really thought ---- "To them everything was attached to the divine."

If they had, then they would have been thinking like Gnostic Christians, Jews and other Eastern religions did and would have named men as Gods.

If you can't see God in all, you can't see God at all.
-Anon

That would have been their motto and they would have sacrificed to themselves and not wasted their time on other mythical Gods. IMO of course.

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20 Oct 2016, 11:58 am

drlaugh wrote:

Early Christians also met in homes and caves.

Yes I have benefited from small house study's. (Of the Bible - not study of homes). Never been to one in a cave, yet.
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You cave reference reminded me of this good song that we should sing to theists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O1_3zBUKM8

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20 Oct 2016, 12:01 pm

drlaugh wrote:

Early Christians also met in homes and caves.

Yes I have benefited from small house study's. (Of the Bible - not study of homes). Never been to one in a cave, yet.
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What benefit did you get out of studying the bible?

Did you conclude what this quote says of an intelligent man studying it?

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

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20 Oct 2016, 12:06 pm

gleam lapis wrote:

??

Nice thought but where did Jesus say we should love him?

I do recall Jesus saying to seek God, not to seek him.

Further Jesus died. Are you saying that Jesus is God and that your immortal God can die?

You seem to contradict yourself so please be clear.

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20 Oct 2016, 12:07 pm

BaalChatzaf wrote:

GnosticBishop wrote:

People first, God second. Should people put themselves above God?

Absolutely...

I agree.

We should put reality ahead of fantasy.

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20 Oct 2016, 1:09 pm

God first.
All things including knowledge came after.

I have resigned from the forensic and debate teams years ago.

May God continue to bless you, your gifts and use thereof.
Shalom.

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20 Oct 2016, 1:44 pm

GnosticBishop wrote:

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The whole point of Christ's death and resurrection is at the heart of Christian theology. God - or a facet of him - shed his divinity in order to become human, in which he lived the law, and yet suffered it's penalty of death in the place of flawed humanity, then rose again. That's how and why God could, and had to, die.

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