Why such an age disparity in likely voter demographics?

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The "1 in 5" statement has surrounding political controversy, but it has not been "repeatedly debunked." It's one of several figures, which is born out by various studies while there are others that would indicate it's slightly off. See: http://time.com/2934500/1-in-5%E2%80%82 ... statistic/ or http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... hey-gradu/

It's generally agreed that fraternities have a huge rape problem, with efforts by administration to investigate blocked because the perpetrator is "a bro." Most campuses have awareness seminars and efforts to prevent exactly this, done by the school's administration.

If you need documentation, though: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -ban-frats or http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/21/us/ka ... wsuit.html or http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/us/cornel ... legations/ or the list of articles is really insurmountable.

Yes, it has. Including, as I mentioned, by the people who directed the study and who were quick to point out all the same flaws that all the other critics of "1 in 5" have.



It's one of two studies, both of which contained the same flaws in methodology.



Generally agreed upon by people who lack critical thinking skills or a rudimentary familiarity with statistics. Web-based survey, sub 50% response rate. Those factors alone are sufficient to dismiss any broad extrapolation.



No, I don't. I have access to the the data. Prominent feminist journalists writing articles about rape culture is evidence only that feminists write articles.

With age comes wisdom.

You are just repeting this mantra that these comments are rapey which frankly it's insulting. They concern harassment and rape only if it happened in an unconsensual situation.

It is not sex but if it could pass as sexual harassment I guess it must have something to do with sex, right?
What you are saying here is very dangerous. You're connecting something awful and punished by law as rape with something that happens normally between most guys who don't sexually harass or rape women. And they talk about consensual sex, I never had friends boasting about raping someone. Would you also blame women for dressing in a way that is more sexually explicit than in the past? Our society is more sexualized, but it doesn't mean that we, as human beings, shouldn't be capable of making a distincting between consensual and unconsensual sex. If someone rapes then there's something wrong with him and he should be punished.
Besides all this, I despise the idea that I should keep myself from something that it totally legal and my right to do, because some freak with psychic issues might do something bad. It's harmful to freedom.
About frat houses, we don't have that stuff here so I don't really even know why you people have that crap. But I can tell you that almost all men sometimes talk like this, and obviosuly only a tiny percentage of men end up to be rapists. I'd rather blame their idiocy and lack of self-control, you know. Btw what is this incidence of rapes you talk about?

I don't think most people would ask verbally, but yeah they get the hint somehow. If she comes to your place at night it's already a clue, I guess.

Finally, I'd like to break a lance in favour of Bill Clinton. I feel that if he hasn't been condemned for the accusations then it was unfair of Trump to accuse him, and now this will backfire I think.

But also nose and ear hair.

So, if we take the most conservative number which is 1 in 40 (the one the Justice Department operates based on), this is still a tremendously large number. That's 2.5% of college-aged women. This is ridiculous nitpicking.


Yes, I'm sure all the articles showing almost perpetual rape cases in fraternities are just made up by people who "lack ... a rudimentary familiarity with statistics."


The most conservative end of the data is 2.5%. That's still rape culture, sorry.


...what are you on about? If you are grabbing someone's genitals without their consent, this is sexual harassment. This shouldn't remotely be controversial.


It's "insulting" to say that just going up to women and grabbing them by the genitals are rapey comments. Right. I have to wonder why you would find this insulting.

What Trump described is, by definition, unconsensual.


I'm saying one leads to an environment that makes the other more likely, by making light of it and normalizing it.


That's cool. Trump wasn't talking about consensual sex.


False equivalence. I'm talking about people joking about sexual harassment and rape, which is what Donald Trump did. This is, by definition, making light of the act. Environments where this is common are also environments where rape is common.

Women dressing more openly, as far as I'm aware, is not making light of or normalizing harassment. That many guys feel it's okay to harass women because they dress sexily is exactly part of the problem.


Those "freaks with psychic issues" are more common than you'd think. It could be a friend, it could be a family member. As seen in frat houses, it often is a "brother."


Desensitization is an actual psychological phenomenon. It may not make you, personally, engage in the act. It won't make the vast majority of people do so. But it makes perpetrators of the act more comfortable in engaging in it, and provides them an environment where it can be played off as not a big deal.


Not really. Her body language would be the clue. There'd be lip-biting, or her eyes looking at you a certain way. Plenty of girls who are at your place will have the intention of just hanging out, and if you take that opportunity to pussy-grab, you will rightly find yourself with a lawsuit on your hands.


The accusations against him had a three-year-long investigation, with tremendous media attention. Trump's have just come out.

I would find it curious that it seems most have just now come out about it, since I'd think things about it might have come out before. But there is also plenty of reason why a lot of times sexual harrassment/assualt doesn't get reported. I know there are those who probably assume they must be lying because why wouldn't they have reported it sooner, but interestingly enough being believed can be quite a concern. I actually had an incident that I never reported, just wanted to forget about it not make it a long drawn out thing and have people not believe me. So I understand that more than I'd like to due to my experience.

Not really sure how that issue can be solved, I mean since they didn't report it, it might be harder to prove...but people probably shouldn't just assume they're lying first thing which seems to be a default reaction for a lot of people. I can see why one might not report something like this right away and might never see themselves as having a fair opportunity to do so I myself don't even remember the name of the guy who harassed me like that. But nonetheless it will make it harder to know for sure, if all these allegations against trump are true, if some are and some aren't or if none are if there is no documented reports of it.

If it's true than it means his apology for what he said was nothing but a lie and that he also lied on national television during the debate when he said he has not touched any women without their consent. Seems whether people like it or not this issue of consent, what is going to far, what isn't is blowing up in our faces and has to be addressed....whilst it seems like it has been rather swept under the rug for so long...at least ever since I can remember.

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Did he actually do that or was he just boasting about it. I've definately heard a lot of blowhard guys like him boasting about stuff they've never done.

That is what needs to be determined if he was boasting about things he's never done, or things he has done...and it is looking like it's possible it wasn't just false boasting. Unfortunately at this point it basically his words against the words of women who say he has assaulted them...so it's hard to know for certain what to make of it.

Either they're risking a lot to make false accusations towards a presidential candidate, as loathsome as he is....or he made a blatantly false apology and lied on national television during the debates when he said he's never exhibited the behavior he boasted of.

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Is the percentage in college higher than the percentage outside of college?

If the percentage in college is the same or lower than outside of college it would not support your statement that in frat houses "this behavior is at its absolute most common" or that frathouses "have a tremendously disproportionate amount of rapes?"

Also, is that FBI statistic specific to college or is it for the general population?

I don't know the number out of college, but I assume it'd be lower since everyone is tightly packed together in college and there's a lot of liquor flowing that makes certain unsavory types of guys drop what little inhibitions they have.


It's college-specific. The situations that have gotten press attention have almost all been Greek-life related, "X fraternity at Y college has a rape case being investigated by administration and police" is an almost weekly news story. This issue was mostly brushed under the rug for decades, frats tend to be made up of well-off kids who "obviously wouldn't do that." Their secrecy and status as "brothers" also leads to shielding when there's wrongdoing. But over the last five years, it's come out in a big way.

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His word against their word may not be enough evidence to get a conviction but it's enough evidence to lose him the election. His goose is cooked.

I think it's an ominous sign of things that come that for any us, our private conversations can be recorded and used against us ten years later.

Just imagine if you get passed by for a job application because of something you posted on Facebook years earlier.

So we've gone from stastical analysis to making assumptions now.

True that students are packed closely together in college. Which do you think is more dangourous for a woman, being in a crowded place or being isolated with their attacker and no one else around?

It's nothing new that very well known people and those running for office will have things they've said/done in the past brought up whether it makes them look better or worse depends on what they said or did.

Not sure how this is an implication that everyone private conversations will be recorded at all times specifically to be used against them in the future. I mean do think things should be kept secret...even if someone finds out and can dig up evidence.

Also that is fairly unlikely, I don't think most employers have time to stalk all they're prospective employees facebook profiles and social media accounts. Not to mention they can't even look at everything you post just the stuff you make public, unless they demand access to your account, which would be creepy I'd assume the job is some kind of scam in that case. However if they randomly saw something I had posted that really bothered them then I'd hope they'd talk to me about it first, but it would be their choice to fire me or not. Though I cannot think of anything all that bad I've posted on facebook, that would put a job at risk.

Realistically though they'd have to pass a law that allows employeers access to all content prospective employees have posted on social media....and I don't see something like that passing anytime soon.

I'd assume it's being isolated with their attacker who has a built-in network to defend him if caught. This would describe a dorm room in a frat house, in the aftermath of a party. Among campus rapes, Greek-life cases make up the vast majority, rather than some guy just randomly jumping a girl when she's walking alone at night. This is suggestive that the former is more likely to occur.

There don't appear to be readily-available stats on rape in the general public, beyond the CDC's "1 in 5" claim. Which unlike the Justice Department's 2.5%, is not isolated to college-aged women and is a much less conservative figure because it was based on an anonymous survey. We've already discussed that one above.

That depends on what you mean by every little thing. I don't think it is generally considered abusive and unhealthy to expect people not to make sexual advances without your consent for instance.