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10 Nov 2016, 3:21 pm

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Abolish the electoral college ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Hell if Trump pushed for it himself so it would take effect next election I'd be happy and could even respect him some. His campaign was about being for the people against the establishment. It would be a great gesture for him to dismantle one of the establishments most arcane features.

So California and New York will pick all our future presidents and most states will have no say. No thanks. After hearing the reason for the elector college I support it now. It keeps to our republic system and make sure all states have a fair representation in picking the president.

That's nonsense. When is it fair that the minority gets to pick who leads the majority. It keeps nothing fair. It keeps power out of the hands of the people. It's blatant legal corruption. Do you understand the relationship or do you just enjoy practicing denial until it's your party getting the shaft :roll:

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10 Nov 2016, 3:32 pm

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That isn't how it would work.

Currently, votes in Wyoming count more heavily than votes in California. If you elected on the popular vote, everyone's vote would be equal.

It wouldn't be decided by a few states unless everyone voted the same way. Under the Electoral College, there's a real risk that the President could be decided by 11 or 12 states in the 2030s; the big states are probably going to be 50% blue soon. Imagine how much focus will go on Texas when it becomes a swing state!

Clinton won the popular vote using the votes she got in North Dakota. The only states she didn't need her supporters were Alaska and Wyoming. 49/51 territories "counted". Trump only needed 21 territories to win the Electoral College - the other 30 didn't count. If you want to stop New York, California, Texas and Florida deciding the President, then use the popular vote.

Ideally, you'd use the Alternate Vote, which would allow people to vote for Third Parties without fear of being a spoiler.

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10 Nov 2016, 3:33 pm

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Please remember to be courteous to other users

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10 Nov 2016, 4:30 pm

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Yes and under the electoral college we have a system whereby if Trump say wins 51% of the vote in Florida he gets all of the electoral votes. We may see that as good as it spreads power more evenly but as well as that let's remember that under that system 49% of the vote is completely discounted.

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10 Nov 2016, 4:34 pm

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As all of you will no doubt know Donald Trump has seized victory in yesterday's election and will go on to be president. I do not think this is a total disaster for the Left as a backlash against a Trump administration could lead to victories for the Democrats come 2018 and 2020 we just need to play our cards well.

So this is why I have created this thread in order to discuss what we did wrong and learn from our mistakes so we can win in the next election cycle.

One mistake I think the Democratic Party made this year was dismissing Republican voters as racist. From this I believe we ended up alienating voters that might have been swayed to join Hillary's side. If we want to win an election one thing is clear, dismissing people as part of a basket of deplorable does not work.

A second mistake that we likely made was also to nominate an establishment candidate with ties to wall street. By being linked to Wall Street Hillary Clinton was perceived as being corrupt and controlled by special interests. By being part of the establishment as well people perceived Hillary as being the candidate who represented no change.

For some reason, the Dems are only popular in states with large urban centers. Not even Texas or Florida, with really large Hispanic communities, could hold a democratic majority. The Dems have lost touch with a lot of the country. NAFTA could explain it.

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10 Nov 2016, 4:54 pm

Yes I would agree. Their are many legitimate grievances Americans have against the Clintons for their policies NAFTA for instance has been blamed for sending 700,000 manufacturing jobs away to Mexico. The Clintons should have tried to reach out to these people not just condemn them as something many of them are not.

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10 Nov 2016, 5:29 pm

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Since we are a republic built on protecting the minority's from majority mob rule. Both get to pick. Otherwise the mid part of our nation might as rebel and let the coasts starve to death

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10 Nov 2016, 5:36 pm

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A lot of middle Americans feel like Clintons dislike them, or don't care. They felt betrayed by NAFTA.
Inner cities in the northeast resonate with the Democratic platform and were pleased when an African American family moved into the Whitehouse. I suspect this has created some loyalty which extended over to HRC. Plus they really dislike the Trump legacy in NYC where he and his family are better known and have history.

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10 Nov 2016, 5:49 pm

Democrats have become elitists that dismiss and condemn the "common folk".

For example, if someone wants to secure the border, then the Democrats dismiss the person as "racist" and "xenophobic". Possibly, they also try to tie the person to the KKK.

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10 Nov 2016, 6:30 pm

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To an extent I see that as being true. My family talks openly about how all Trump supporters are racist and idiots. To be honest that really upsets me and its not helpful. All it does is alienate Republicans and Democrats from one another and sends a message to them that the Democrats hold contempt for them. If the Democrats are going to win seats come 2018 we got to move beyond that and try to unite people.

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10 Nov 2016, 6:35 pm

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As all of you will no doubt know Donald Trump has seized victory in yesterday's election and will go on to be president. I do not think this is a total disaster for the Left as a backlash against a Trump administration could lead to victories for the Democrats come 2018 and 2020 we just need to play our cards well.

So this is why I have created this thread in order to discuss what we did wrong and learn from our mistakes so we can win in the next election cycle.

One mistake I think the Democratic Party made this year was dismissing Republican voters as racist. From this I believe we ended up alienating voters that might have been swayed to join Hillary's side. If we want to win an election one thing is clear, dismissing people as part of a basket of deplorable does not work.

A second mistake that we likely made was also to nominate an establishment candidate with ties to wall street. By being linked to Wall Street Hillary Clinton was perceived as being corrupt and controlled by special interests. By being part of the establishment as well people perceived Hillary as being the candidate who represented no change.

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We as Democrats shouldn't try to feel superior to Trump supporters...

Shahunshah wrote:

Yes and under the electoral college we have a system whereby if Trump say wins 51% of the vote in Florida he gets all of the electoral votes. We may see that as good...

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...we got to move beyond that and try to unite people.

Who's "we"? Doesn't the NZ in your profile mean you live in New Zealand? Are you an American, living in New Zealand? Also, aren't you 16? If you are, you wouldn't even be able to vote.

Just curious.....

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10 Nov 2016, 6:38 pm

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Shahunshah wrote:

As all of you will no doubt know Donald Trump has seized victory in yesterday's election and will go on to be president. I do not think this is a total disaster for the Left as a backlash against a Trump administration could lead to victories for the Democrats come 2018 and 2020 we just need to play our cards well.

So this is why I have created this thread in order to discuss what we did wrong and learn from our mistakes so we can win in the next election cycle.

One mistake I think the Democratic Party made this year was dismissing Republican voters as racist. From this I believe we ended up alienating voters that might have been swayed to join Hillary's side. If we want to win an election one thing is clear, dismissing people as part of a basket of deplorable does not work.

A second mistake that we likely made was also to nominate an establishment candidate with ties to wall street. By being linked to Wall Street Hillary Clinton was perceived as being corrupt and controlled by special interests. By being part of the establishment as well people perceived Hillary as being the candidate who represented no change.

Shahunshah wrote:

We as Democrats shouldn't try to feel superior to Trump supporters...

Shahunshah wrote:

Yes and under the electoral college we have a system whereby if Trump say wins 51% of the vote in Florida he gets all of the electoral votes. We may see that as good...

Shahunshah wrote:

...we got to move beyond that and try to unite people.

Yes I am 16 and well I am a concerned liberal that's all. I think our leftist parties and the Democrats have a similiar goal that being to stop Trump's policies which may be bad for the world as a whole. And lastly don't we all regardless of nationality want a better world?

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10 Nov 2016, 7:25 pm

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Well, okay..... I guess I'll just never understand a non-American using the words "we" / "us" / "our", when talking about the U.S.----I mean, I certainly wouldn't use those words, if I were talking about New Zealand, cuz I'm not a New Zealander; so, it's just very confusing to me.

I think that's commendable that you're thinking of other peoples / countries, and so-forth----but, do you really think that you, PERSONALLY, could do ANYTHING to "stop Trump's policies"? Do you really think that, other than posting your opinions on here, America would listen to you, PERSONALLY? We might take a nation's LEADER's opinion into consideration----but, certainly not an individual citizen, of another country.

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10 Nov 2016, 7:32 pm

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Well I am kind of entitled to speak on this issue. Overseas we closely observe your elections as they impact the world at large us included. I guess I could identify myself as a liberal. I think this thread serves a purpose. Its a chance for us all to reflect on what the Democratic party can do better next time as well as help us understand why Trump won to begin with.

What do you think about what I wrote down is their an element of truth to it?

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10 Nov 2016, 7:37 pm

Sorry Campin_Cat if I am coming across as overly critical or pretentious, I was not intending for that.

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10 Nov 2016, 9:17 pm

Shahunshah wrote:

I think this thread serves a purpose. Its a chance for us all to reflect on what the Democratic party can do better next time as well as help us understand why Trump won to begin with.

What do you think about what I wrote down is their an element of truth to it?

Yes, I feel there is truth in what you've written----I especially agree with what you said about it being wrong that people think the Republicans are racist. I also agree that people believe that Hillary is "being corrupt and controlled by special interests". I think you've done a GREAT job in researching, thinking, and expressing your views!! I agree that this thread serves a purpose.

As for why PE Trump won: I'm thinking there are several reasons..... IMO, it's because people are SICK of "the establishment", and sick of America thinking that every time another country sneezes, we have to be there to wipe their little noseys, for 'em, sick of being PC, sick of feeling like OUR OWN people are not being put FIRST, wanting to see if, maybe, a total outsider might be able to do better (or, at least, something DIFFERENT); and, unfortunately, some of them might have been thinking that electing Mr. Trump would be "stickin' it to them" (others in government, cuz they'd have to deal with him----and, since others in government aren't liked...)----and, the list goes on-and-on; and, like YOU said, we didn't see Hillary as being someone who would bring-about changes.

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Sorry Campin_Cat if I am coming across as overly critical or pretentious, I was not intending for that.

No need to apologize----I didn't think you were being, EITHER.

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