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10 Nov 2016, 5:37 pm

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And how is it Trump plans to make health care affordable again?

it's obvious to anybody paying attention, that he and the GOP never intended any such thing. for the better part of a century they have systematically done their best to deny the working class any affordable health care. no sign of them growing a heart anytime soon.



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10 Nov 2016, 6:51 pm

Because no one looks at nk cities and say wow how nice. Our infrastructure has been decaying and our power grid is super vulnerable. We've been too cheap and neglected it all. I've heard our airports are like 3rd world compared to European or Asian airports.

Also this whole anti freedom trend from the far left last 8 years has been horrible.



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10 Nov 2016, 7:01 pm

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Because no one looks at nk cities and say wow how nice. Our infrastructure has been decaying and our power grid is super vulnerable. We've been too cheap and neglected it all. I've heard our airports are like 3rd world compared to European or Asian airports.

Also this whole anti freedom trend from the far left last 8 years has been horrible.

that's more like the "great place to live" sense that i meant. that makes sense. but... "great nation", not so much. because, if "being a great nation" does correlate with "being a great place to live" at all, it's only by making things far more complicated, shifting priorities from domestic infrastructure and welfare to interventionist priorities that benefit no one other than the few behind the curtain

and again: maybe asian and european airports are better than american ones. but that says very little about how good the american ones are. there is no need to be number one at everything. and, in fact, no one can be. growing up here in south america we tend to get used to the idea that everything is better elsewhere, simply because it's the natural order of the universe. but after being to three different continents myself, i've learned not to take for granted the things i have here but didn't have in those so-called first-world places


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10 Nov 2016, 7:04 pm

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Because no one looks at nk cities and say wow how nice.

nk people look at nk cities and say "wow nice". Mind you, they have no choice in the matter :lol:


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10 Nov 2016, 7:05 pm

too many americans can't see how far they've fallen behind other western nations.



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10 Nov 2016, 7:08 pm

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too many americans can't see how far they've fallen behind other western nations.

most important, it seems to me like they do see (and exaggerate) how they have fallen behind in certain respects, but not the ones that matter


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10 Nov 2016, 7:13 pm

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too many americans can't see how far they've fallen behind other western nations.

most important, it seems to me like they do see (and exaggerate) how they have fallen behind in certain respects, but not the ones that matter

we have a lot of authoritarians here who only want a strongman who will wield the big club over other nations, in a primitive form of American dominance. they don't seem to care that we've fallen behind in life expectancy, infant mortality rate, quality of life etc.



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10 Nov 2016, 7:14 pm

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Because no one looks at nk cities and say wow how nice. Our infrastructure has been decaying and our power grid is super vulnerable. We've been too cheap and neglected it all. I've heard our airports are like 3rd world compared to European or Asian airports.

Also this whole anti freedom trend from the far left last 8 years has been horrible.

that's more like the "great place to live" sense that i meant. that makes sense. but... "great nation", not so much. because, if "being a great nation" does correlate with "being a great place to live" at all, it's only by making things far more complicated, shifting priorities from domestic infrastructure and welfare to interventionist priorities that benefit no one other than the few behind the curtain

and again: maybe asian and european airports are better than american ones. but that says very little about how good the american ones are. there is no need to be number one at everything. and, in fact, no one can be. growing up here in south america we tend to get used to the idea that everything is better elsewhere, simply because it's the natural order of the universe. but after being to three different continents myself, i've learned not to take for granted the things i have here but didn't have in those so-called first-world places


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10 Nov 2016, 7:16 pm

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10 Nov 2016, 7:17 pm

Omg. Jesus help me. Anyone who doesn't want to be here just leave. It's really that simple. It's like listening to a broken record over and over. Bye.


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10 Nov 2016, 7:17 pm

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Omg. Jesus help me. Anyone who doesn't want to be here just leave. It's really that simple. It's like listening to a broken record over and over. Bye.

i'm sure they would if they could

"love it or leave it" also used to be the motto of our u.s.-backed military government here, btw. jus' sayin'...


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10 Nov 2016, 7:19 pm

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I was reading how Brazil was when you had the Olympics going on. Are things bad there ?


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10 Nov 2016, 7:20 pm

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Omg. Jesus help me. Anyone who doesn't want to be here just leave. It's really that simple. It's like listening to a broken record over and over. Bye.

i'm sure they would if they could

"love it or leave it" also used to be the motto of our u.s.-backed military government here, btw. jus' sayin'...


I just got me some Brazilian green tea from Amazon. :mrgreen:


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10 Nov 2016, 7:22 pm

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Yeah, what angela said. Is it any better now? We opted not to see family in Rio due to the political problems and all the muggings and protests.


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10 Nov 2016, 7:30 pm

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I was reading how Brazil was when you had the Olympics going on. Are things bad there ?

the economy is supposedly at its lowest since 1930, but honestly i don't see it. i wouldn't even know it if i hadn't heard about it on tv. everything seems normal to me. we had local elections just last month, and everything seemed normal. people talked all the time about "THE CRISIS!!" when i was in italy, but i don't see that going on here. goes to show how the usual economic indicators mean very little

whatever "crisis" this is (it technically is a pretty bad recession), it's absolutely nothing compared to what things were like in the 80s and early 90s. those were crazy times. now i have money in the bank that i'm saving for my eventual early retirement, the interest rate looks pretty good, and i see no reason to be afraid of anything happening to my money. the economy has been stable for 20 years (and, ironically but probably not coincidentally, it was actually doing pretty well following the american crisis in 2008)


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10 Nov 2016, 7:30 pm

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So very sad. It's been so long the American people don't even know what "Great" means anymore.

Great does not mean "We have the most powerful army." This was a bunch of crp started by the military/industrial complex after WWII; remember President Dwight D. Eisenhower's warnings this was forming when he was President???

When America was "Great" the average working man was able to support himself, wife, and kids AND afford a small home. NO wife forced into the workplace to let the kids grow up like animals under stranger's supervision in order to survive.

The United States had a strong economy with many good paying jobs available. Compare this to the dog-eat-dog system in place now...we're looking pretty sad...and the government does NOTHING about it, only wishing to fill their own private coffers. We've been sold out.

But Trump, like myself, remembers that distant time and knows this is the America we want vs. the America we get after the plundering is over. Maybe Trump has the guts to get something started to reverse this trend.


I think being great is a lot of things - good jobs, good wages, good healthcare, good military, good economy. I remember the Beaver Cleaver days cause my Ma was a stay at home Ma. You're probably right about that. - you need two incomes these days.


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