How to Tell the Average Person About Global Warming

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26 Dec 2016, 1:47 pm

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The amphibian are really the ones suffering right now,many frog species are already gone forever.


yeah. amphibians by nature are pretty fragile, they absorb oxygen and some other nutrients through their skin and that makes them susceptible to whatever toxin might be in their waters. i think that a healthy amphibian population is a good indicator of water quality for that reason.

a lot of the decline is being caused by the chytrid fungis Batrachochytrium dendrobatidis...not sure that caused that fungus to proliferate so suddenly, but as always, climate change is probably a factor.

IIRC, 32% of extant species are threatened.

32% :(


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26 Dec 2016, 3:16 pm

uhh I dread the response, 'oh that's nice it will just make the weather warmer and nicer.' no that's not what global warming/climate change is.


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26 Dec 2016, 3:19 pm

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I'm looking forward to global warming because there's a chance it will cause human extinction which will mean the end of all the people I don't like. Especially those annoying overachievers who think they're better than me.


So ... you're willing to let me and my descendants die horribly because you want to be an adolescent edgelord?


You're saying that if it's a bad thing.


It is a bad thing, pretty selfish attitude to....'I hope we destroy the environment and contribute to devastating climate change so all the people I don't like die.' I mean come on, how is that a good thing?


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26 Dec 2016, 3:53 pm

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uhh I dread the response, 'oh that's nice it will just make the weather warmer and nicer.' no that's not what global warming/climate change is.

That's the problem.

People don't know what it is.

I should be able to go to a website, and see the measurement position, and the historical measurement data.

They have that for land measurements, however, the land data shows us that land is actually cooling ("polar votex", "polar blast" the last few years).

Why hide the data?



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26 Dec 2016, 5:13 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
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I'm looking forward to global warming because there's a chance it will cause human extinction which will mean the end of all the people I don't like. Especially those annoying overachievers who think they're better than me.
So ... you're willing to let me and my descendants die horribly because you want to be an adolescent edgelord?
An edgelord? No. I'm socially conservative. I dress plainly so as not to draw attention to myself. I have the plainest haircut, plain shirt with collar and plain black shoes.I believe in the importance of career. I don't want to be an edgelord, I just want to be a conservative middle-class guy who buys a house with a white picket fence.

In this I failed. I also believe kids are much better off when they're raised by two parents instead of one. Guess how many I had? One. And she barely even counts as one. Most of the time she was stoned on prescription medication. Then she took me to the doctor and he got me stoned on prescription medication during my most formative and pivotal years.

An edgelord is some kid who dies his hair green, gets his nosed peirced, wears black leather and wears very chunky shoes. And edgelord is someone who tries to distance himself from society. I don't do that, I try to integrate myself into society. I don't fit the definition of edgelord.


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26 Dec 2016, 5:14 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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I'm looking forward to global warming because there's a chance it will cause human extinction which will mean the end of all the people I don't like. Especially those annoying overachievers who think they're better than me.
So ... you're willing to let me and my descendants die horribly because you want to be an adolescent edgelord?
You're saying that if it's a bad thing.
It is a bad thing, pretty selfish attitude to....'I hope we destroy the environment and contribute to devastating climate change so all the people I don't like die.' I mean come on, how is that a good thing?
How is that a good thing? Let me count the ways!

1. Human extinction will have a positive effect on the natural environment. No pollution. Global warming won't happen again.

2. Human extinction would mean death for all the climate change deniers, corrupt politicians and the oil barons who bribe them while funding junk science saying climate change doesn't exist.

3. I'd say letting the corrupt politicians and oil barons get killed by the very thing they denied is a an apt punishment.

4. Human extinction will lower both the crime rate to 0%

5. No one will be living in poverty after human extinction.


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26 Dec 2016, 9:23 pm

i prefer life, myself.


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26 Dec 2016, 9:51 pm



I like life as well.

This video is fairly persuasive.



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26 Dec 2016, 9:59 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
EzraS wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
I'm looking forward to global warming because there's a chance it will cause human extinction which will mean the end of all the people I don't like. Especially those annoying overachievers who think they're better than me.


So ... you're willing to let me and my descendants die horribly because you want to be an adolescent edgelord?


You're saying that if it's a bad thing.


It is a bad thing, pretty selfish attitude to....'I hope we destroy the environment and contribute to devastating climate change so all the people I don't like die.' I mean come on, how is that a good thing?


I meant the edgelord part.



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26 Dec 2016, 10:38 pm

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I like life as well.

This video is fairly persuasive.


It's not persuasive at all.

That's the point of this topic.

99.99% of the people look at this video and think, "So?"

Why show data of CO2? Who cares?

Why not provide global warming data?

Where's the data regarding oceans heating up?

What is the longitude and latitude of these ocean measurements?

And how do those ocean measurements compare to historical measurements at the same locations?

Why do they hide all this data?

If they can't provide the data, then every reasonable person will suspect their fraudsters.



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26 Dec 2016, 10:47 pm

Kiprobalhato wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
The amphibian are really the ones suffering right now,many frog species are already gone forever.


yeah. amphibians by nature are pretty fragile, they absorb oxygen and some other nutrients through their skin and that makes them susceptible to whatever toxin might be in their waters. i think that a healthy amphibian population is a good indicator of water quality for that reason.

a lot of the decline is being caused by the chytrid fungis Batrachochytrium dendrobatidis...not sure that caused that fungus to proliferate so suddenly, but as always, climate change is probably a factor.

IIRC, 32% of extant species are threatened.

32% :(

Most scientists believe the fungus is linked to climate change.It spreads rapidly in areas effected by drought.The amphibians all gather in the few wet spots and catch it from infected ones.It also thrives in warmer temperatures.
Loss of habitat and pollution are also big players in the extinction game.
Save the Frogs,and Amphibian Ark are two great groups working to try and make a difference.
One thing people don't seem to get is that when they spread poison on their yard,like tick granules or herbicides,it doesn't just kill the ticks or weeds.Very bad for all the living things.


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26 Dec 2016, 11:01 pm

List of scientific organizations and info on the subject.
https://www.opr.ca.gov/s_listoforganizations.php


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26 Dec 2016, 11:13 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
It's not persuasive at all.

That's the point of this topic.

99.99% of the people look at this video and think, "So?"

Why show data of CO2? Who cares?

Why not provide global warming data?

Where's the data regarding oceans heating up?

What is the longitude and latitude of these ocean measurements?

And how do those ocean measurements compare to historical measurements at the same locations?

Why do they hide all this data?

If they can't provide the data, then every reasonable person will suspect their fraudsters.


I didn't watch the video, but here's the data on the trend of rising global ocean temperatures.

https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-sea-surface-temperature

Scroll down to the bottom and you can go through all the tabs on different information for the graph and how it was created. You can also look at figure 2, which is far more intuitive for the observer to see regional changes. These things are as close to the truth on the matter that one can get, I trust the United Nations.



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26 Dec 2016, 11:22 pm

It's not persuasive at all.
I guess you may be right. If you don't have a certain level of science literacy this may be opaque.

That's the point of this topic.

99.99% of the people look at this video and think, "So?"
Can you tell the difference between 275 and 400, how about 200 and 400. This shows a clear rise in CO2, starting with agriculture at 10 kyBCE and drastically increasing at about 1800, industrial revolution.

Why show data of CO2? Who cares?
Well, CO2 is data, not models.

Why not provide global warming data?
Because that is not what this is about.

Where's the data regarding oceans heating up?
see above


What is the longitude and latitude of these ocean measurements?
Which one there are several hundred? Would you like them all?

And how do those ocean measurements compare to historical measurements at the same locations?
It is all there, they also provide a list of sources for the data at the end.

Why do they hide all this data?
Hide? Not sure what you mean. If you are not looking for something, that does not mean it is hidden.

If they can't provide the data, then every reasonable person will suspect their fraudsters.
This is a graphical representation of the data to make it easier to understand. You may have seen it in such rare places as a news paper, or a text book.

Perhaps you are correct and I am asking people to think about an issue rather than be told what to think.
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27 Dec 2016, 12:08 am

Feyokien wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
It's not persuasive at all.

That's the point of this topic.

99.99% of the people look at this video and think, "So?"

Why show data of CO2? Who cares?

Why not provide global warming data?

Where's the data regarding oceans heating up?

What is the longitude and latitude of these ocean measurements?

And how do those ocean measurements compare to historical measurements at the same locations?

Why do they hide all this data?

If they can't provide the data, then every reasonable person will suspect their fraudsters.


I didn't watch the video, but here's the data on the trend of rising global ocean temperatures.

https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-sea-surface-temperature

Scroll down to the bottom and you can go through all the tabs on different information for the graph and how it was created. You can also look at figure 2, which is far more intuitive for the observer to see regional changes. These things are as close to the truth on the matter that one can get, I trust the United Nations.


It doesn't show the data.

It doesn't show us the latitude and longitude positions of where they measured the temperature, and the historical measurements for those same locations.

If global warming is true, it should be readily available information.

That data should be the backbone of their argument.



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27 Dec 2016, 12:23 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
It doesn't show the data.

It doesn't show us the latitude and longitude positions of where they measured the temperature, and the historical measurements for those same locations.

If global warming is true, it should be readily available information.

That data should be the backbone of their argument.


Er yes it does, Figure 2 shows Regional Global Increases. I can't help you with raw data, they get this stuff from thousands of sources. These figures are compiled from world wide sources. You could probably fill volumes of books with all the data.