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18 Jan 2017, 12:48 pm

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I also don't get this trend of "are you a fire autistic or a water autistic or a sunny autistic or a cloudy autistic etc." posts. Just trying to add more labels into the mix I guess. Because autism isn't "different" enough, now you have to be a sunny water autistic or whatever.


WTF? Sunny or cloudy autistic? Which planet are these people from?

I'm surprised. Really, really surprised.


We're talking about people who believe there are 300 genders, some of which are "cat", "fire" and "swamp".

And autism.

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18 Jan 2017, 12:52 pm

I can't help but have contempt for these people



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18 Jan 2017, 12:53 pm

@teksla: How do you know what traits the people have?

@Datalis: Where did you get the idea that SJWs don't believe there are autistic adults?

Also I think you guys are overreacting to the "fire autistic" type stuff. It's just for fun.



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18 Jan 2017, 1:30 pm

^ It's undermining the condition, it's going to confuse people.

As for SJWs, yeh, well. :? Some of them do come out with some pretty horrible stuff sometimes, and they hate people like me, cos I'm in the "bad" category...cos people can be split into good and bad, just like that.


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18 Jan 2017, 2:52 pm

^How is it undermining the condition?

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If someone on the internet claims to have autism how would you know if they have traits or not? Also most people I've observed who are at the self diagnoses stage are well aware that isn't the same thing as getting a professional evaluation and diagnoses.

I agree with this.



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18 Jan 2017, 3:33 pm

The only thing that is new with SJWs is that they now have platforms to express themselves and legitimate institutions backing them. They are out of control now, but they were always around.

Before that term became popular, we had another term for them : "wannabes". These people think being normal is a curse so they look for any label they can stick onto themselves to stand out. For a while it was the bisexual craze. After that it was being "random". After that it was self-harm and headmates. Autism came soon after because it's so hard to describe what autism is like with text, so it ends up sounding like some kind of social anxiety. Any chump who stumbles onto the Wikipedia page for Asperger syndrome now has it, and if their doctor doesn't agree, he is obviously discriminating against them.

It doesn't help that people falsely think autists are smarter than average, always a popular claim for attention-seekers. Here is a condition that may explain away some of your failures in life yet also can credit you with more intelligence than these stupid mundanes around you. It's perfect, really.

Personally, I like to make them squirm. I always tell them that I prefer being in places where everyone looks like me and has the same customs as me because the consistency and routine of seeing people who look similar and act similarly to me is a comfort to my autistic brain. Either I'm a racist, xenophobic bigot or they're ableist, but nobody really can tell which has priority over the other so I have them check their privilege no matter what they say.

SJWs isn't a real ideology insofar as it is a big tent of disaffected people who blame an overarching, even unconscious conspiracy in order to explain their problems away and feel like their special selves belong somewhere in the process. In my experience, SJWs love to claim that they're autistic but have little patience for people who are actually autistic, especially if you're a guy. It's simply a form of co-opting or hijacking like what they've done to Occupy Wall Street. Ignore them.


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18 Jan 2017, 3:56 pm

So many people talk about this supposed widespread phenomenon of people self-diagnosing or adopting certain identities to feel "special", but I've yet to see any evidence of it.



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18 Jan 2017, 4:00 pm

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So many people talk about this supposed widespread phenomenon of people self-diagnosing or adopting certain identities to feel "special", but I've yet to see any evidence of it.


I observe more people complaining about people doing this kind of thing more than I observe people who actually behave in that manner.


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18 Jan 2017, 4:12 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
TheAP wrote:
So many people talk about this supposed widespread phenomenon of people self-diagnosing or adopting certain identities to feel "special", but I've yet to see any evidence of it.


I observe more people complaining about people doing this kind of thing more than I observe people who actually behave in that manner.


I know a few of these people. I can tell some of them had developmental delays or issues as younger children. I'm not so sure about others. But, I do hear more people complaining about these things.


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18 Jan 2017, 4:24 pm

To everyone scoffing at tumblr autism memes...that's satire, guys. Jokes. Memes. Largely aimed at neurotypicals insisting on labelling autistic peoples and being ignorant about the spectrum. (Good example: the insistence on label us based on whether we have "mild autism" or are "low-functioning", which is largely a sign misunderstanding how ASDs work. You saw someone say they're a spicy autistic? They're mocking the "mild". You're welcome.)

Love the term "SJW". It's generally code for "I'm an easily offended, entitled person who refuses to acknowledge the predicaments other people are in.". Lazy thinking.

(Not to mention I've found the "social justice crowd" to be infinitely more accepting of me as an autistic person than random people I encounter, both irl and online.)

Back to the topic - of course people will self-dx without proper knowledge. They're a margin. Most of the self-dx crowd lounging on tumblr that I've come across support a well-informed self-dx, especially in cases getting professional diagnosis is not an option because of money, lack of good professionals around etc. Realising there are resources out there for people like you can be a lifesaver, as well being able to have a basis for finding a support community. That's what self-dx comes down to in most cases (and most people will get a professional dx once they're able to anyway).

And that a small number of folks will claim to be autistic while utterly misunderstanding the condition? Christ, it's their loss. They're not the reason NT people are discriminating against/mocking/being ignorant about autistics.



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18 Jan 2017, 4:46 pm

It's become trendy in SJW circles to claim autism or even go as far as to say autism is a choice. Which is just absolutely ridiculous. I can't choose to be NT in the same way that a cis person can choose to be trans or a straight person can choose to be gay or a white person can choose to be black (Rachel Dolezal take note).

"Choosing to be autistic" will do NOTHING for autism awareness.


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18 Jan 2017, 5:53 pm

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It's become trendy in SJW circles to claim autism or even go as far as to say autism is a choice. Which is just absolutely ridiculous. I can't choose to be NT in the same way that a cis person can choose to be trans or a straight person can choose to be gay or a white person can choose to be black (Rachel Dolezal take note).

"Choosing to be autistic" will do NOTHING for autism awareness.


I never heard anyone claiming that. Source?



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18 Jan 2017, 7:30 pm

I think there is a difference between someone who is genuinely concerned with social justice and someone who is a SJW. In my experience the SJW likes to bully people. These are the people I know who are not at all inclusive toward people with disabilities. I know one cis-het-white-male who likes to tell women how to be feminist, African Americans how to be African Americans, and is really mean online. That is how I define SJW.

The people I know who actually care about social justice think of others feelings and perspectives and have some humility. They are willing to sit at the short table when someone can't sit at the tall table. They turn the music down. They don't "punch" up or down. They care about people, not just the marginalized group with the best t-shirts and party.

Haven't heard that is was the cool thing for them to fake ASD though. I've only heard SJWs use phrases like "I wish I knew where he was on the Spectrum so I'd know what I was dealing with". All the SJWs I knew treated me like I had puss oozing boils after they knew about my diagnosis. Where are the people faking it to be cool? Is this really recent? I haven't socialized past art and hospital people and a few church people for two and a half years. I may have missed a new trend.



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18 Jan 2017, 8:00 pm

tick wrote:
I think there is a difference between someone who is genuinely concerned with social justice and someone who is a SJW. In my experience the SJW likes to bully people. These are the people I know who are not at all inclusive toward people with disabilities. I know one cis-het-white-male who likes to tell women how to be feminist, African Americans how to be African Americans, and is really mean online. That is how I define SJW.

The people I know who actually care about social justice think of others feelings and perspectives and have some humility. They are willing to sit at the short table when someone can't sit at the tall table. They turn the music down. They don't "punch" up or down. They care about people, not just the marginalized group with the best t-shirts and party.


Yeah, I can see the point. The problem is, in my experience "SJW" is usually used by actually anti-social justice people to denote a person concerned about SJ and strongly opinionated or outspoken about it. That's the definition I was referring to.
I've actually more often than not encountered neurodiversity issues to be included under "social justice".



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18 Jan 2017, 8:19 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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So many people talk about this supposed widespread phenomenon of people self-diagnosing or adopting certain identities to feel "special", but I've yet to see any evidence of it.


I observe more people complaining about people doing this kind of thing more than I observe people who actually behave in that manner.


^^^^
This

The Aspie wannabee epidemic is about as real as the autism epidemic.

As for SJW's we are not a race, sexuality, or a sexual orientation so I have trouble believing they would think of us as a protected class needing safe spaces. Our inappropriate and blunt language should be an anathema to them. If any of them visit PPR we would become enemy #1


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19 Jan 2017, 12:29 am

I have had seen 3 doctors who all suspected As, and one diagnosed, but they never told me until later. I personally didn't believe it until recently and that's when I joined this site for help because I realized that a LOT of the issues I experience originate from my social emotional deficits.

My personal belief on this matter is that we are capable of just as much, if not more because of our on average higher intelligence, but we are limited by one or two small things such as emotional or facial recognition that puts us behind.

I mean, sure, in a math class you're not going to get the information from your teachers eyes, but in a social environment where you are trying to make friends and it becomes a contest of 20 people VS you, how many people can insult you in that time, it gets pretty bad. I have a knack for turning like 40 people against me within minutes, and then those same people turn around and tell me it's my fault. That's where I believe neurotypicals come in.

Anyways, back on topic, I don't doubt that many of these SJW are autistic but I believe that they vary just like any other group. There are probably lots of people with ASDs that are SJWs because they believe they are doing the right thing and helping those who have been "oppressed" I guess (I'm not really too much of a supporter tbh) and with Autistic disorders it is common to have a strong sense of right and wrong, and to be drawn to rules and respect for others. That is what they THINK they are doing. What they are actually doing is another story, for another post.