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13 Mar 2017, 6:12 pm

$51,000 per year is NOT a high salary in the US, by any means.....

Professors should not inject their own personal political beliefs into his instruction. That's considered a cardinal rule.

I've never taken sociology. I like the discipline---but many of the viewpoints, to me, are too dogmatically biased towards the "victims of oppression." Especially in "criminology," the perpetrator of the crime is given carte blanche, basically, and the victims are, at least, somewhat, blamed for the criminals' actions. Criminologists also frequently do not advocate incarceration for crimes committed; they sometimes even don't advocate any punishment at all. They advocate, in fullest terms, "rehabilitation."

I am for "rehabilitation," but I also believe the criminal should be held accountable for his/her actions, no matter how poverty stricken his/her upbringing was.

I once knew somebody who took sociology. I helped her with one of her papers. She told me that I must NOT put down an opinion contrary to the professor's opinions--otherwise, the professor will fail her. That's fascism, plain and simple.



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13 Mar 2017, 6:23 pm

51,000 is above the median income in the USA.



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13 Mar 2017, 6:31 pm

Tell that to somebody in New York City struggling to pay the rent and car insurance! They certainly don't consider themselves "above the median."

It might be quite a decent salary in some relatively rural parts of the US----but it certainly is only a moderate salary in places like New York City. Nobody can live on $51,000 per year in most of Manhattan, for example.

I guess I should have specified that it's only a moderate salary, at most, within many urban areas of the US.



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13 Mar 2017, 6:37 pm

I don't agree with saying that left professors are more prone to partiality than right wing professors. There is no neutrality. Probably you can't see the partiality within right wing people because you agree with them or are used to it as normality, as it tends to be the mainstream version.

I think it's quite positive that professors spokes their personal opinions clearly, so you can understand that it's biased (and it always be) and can search for more diverse opinions on your own because nobody will be able to provide you that.

How can you say people are adopting a view to fit in instead they just agree with that?



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13 Mar 2017, 6:37 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
$51,000 per year is NOT a high salary in the US, by any means.....

Professors should not inject their own personal political beliefs into his instruction. That's considered a cardinal rule.

I've never taken sociology. I like the discipline---but many of the viewpoints, to me, are too dogmatically biased towards the "victims of oppression." Especially in "criminology," the perpetrator of the crime is given carte blanche, basically, and the victims are, at least, somewhat, blamed for the criminals' actions. Criminologists also frequently do not advocate incarceration for crimes committed; they sometimes even don't advocate any punishment at all. They advocate, in fullest terms, "rehabilitation."

I am for "rehabilitation," but I also believe the criminal should be held accountable for his/her actions, no matter how poverty stricken his/her upbringing was.

I once knew somebody who took sociology. I helped her with one of her papers. She told me that I must NOT put down an opinion contrary to the professor's opinions--otherwise, the professor will fail her. That's fascism, plain and simple.
That's bloody terrible. And it suppresses free thinking. That sociology teacher sounds insecure as hell.

In even much of the developed world an income of 51,000 is considered great.



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13 Mar 2017, 6:38 pm

^ Yes, I was going to say, $51,000 would be a *very* good salary in many parts of the entire country. Not in Queens or San Francisco, perhaps, but certainly for many millions of other people.


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13 Mar 2017, 6:51 pm

ltcvnzl wrote:
I don't agree with saying that left professors are more prone to partiality than right wing professors. There is no neutrality. Probably you can't see the partiality within right wing people because you agree with them or are used to it as normality, as it tends to be the mainstream version.

I think it's quite positive that professors spokes their personal opinions clearly, so you can understand that it's biased (and it always be) and can search for more diverse opinions on your own because nobody will be able to provide you that.

How can you say people are adopting a view to fit in instead they just agree with that?


No your wrong. I am left wing. I even said to the sociology teacher, I thought republicans were rigging democracy. I hate Trump, I like Hillary and Sanders I am in a word left wing.

What I don't like is when we ignore hearing the other side everyday we look at videos of the Young Turks and other left wing outlets. We avoid seeing how what the other side says which might actually be helpful and allows us to create an informed opinion. We do not get an objective viewpoint.



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13 Mar 2017, 6:52 pm

It's because of the cost of living in these places.

It's not "arrogance" on their part.

Two bedroom apartments in decent parts (and some not-so-decent parts) of Queens average between $1,500 and $2,000 a month in rent. In Manhattan, $3,000 and $4,000 per month rents are not uncommon.

You have to go about 50 miles each way (or more) from New York City to find rents under $1,000 for a two bedroom apartment.



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13 Mar 2017, 10:30 pm

Darmok wrote:
Yes it is a bad thing, because it leaves students ignorant of alternative views and explanations.

Sociology is notoriously leftist:

https://www.google.com/search?q=leftist ... +sociology

I seem to recall a survey of academics in the US that found the ratio of Democrats to Republicans in the field was something like 40:1.



To quote Stephen Colbert
"Reality has a well known liberal bias."

Why professors are more liberal has to do with openess to new experiences and conservatives are not.
https://youtu.be/binBSO5HZ6I

Didn't the OP say that the professor said that Clinton was a corprotist as well as Fox news was propoganda? It seems like there is some views from two sides of the political spectrum.



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13 Mar 2017, 10:42 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
It's because of the cost of living in these places.

It's not "arrogance" on their part.

Two bedroom apartments in decent parts (and some not-so-decent parts) of Queens average between $1,500 and $2,000 a month in rent. In Manhattan, $3,000 and $4,000 per month rents are not uncommon.

You have to go about 50 miles each way (or more) from New York City to find rents under $1,000 for a two bedroom apartment.


Studio apartments in Washington, D.C. range between $1,100 and over $2,000 a month.


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13 Mar 2017, 10:45 pm

feral botanist wrote:
Darmok wrote:
Yes it is a bad thing, because it leaves students ignorant of alternative views and explanations.

Sociology is notoriously leftist:

https://www.google.com/search?q=leftist ... +sociology

I seem to recall a survey of academics in the US that found the ratio of Democrats to Republicans in the field was something like 40:1.



To quote Stephen Colbert
"Reality has a well known liberal bias."

Why professors are more liberal has to do with openess to new experiences and conservatives are not.
https://youtu.be/binBSO5HZ6I

Didn't the OP say that the professor said that Clinton was a corprotist as well as Fox news was propoganda? It seems like there is some views from two sides of the political spectrum.

Not its not. He is annoyed that Hillary wasn't more to the left.

Even if reality has a liberal bias that is no reason not to show conservative perspectives. If the liberal perspectives are oh so more aligned with reality then it wouldn't be hard to throw them out with some cold hard facts. If anything showing the other side according to your perspective would strengthen his argument not weaken it.



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14 Mar 2017, 1:03 am

A two bedroom apartment where I am in an old building is about $2500-$3,000 per month, and a one bedroom in a new building is about the same price.



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14 Mar 2017, 6:35 am

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So this year I am doing Sociology. The teacher who is Jamaican English and came from working class origins is incredibly liberal and socialist orientated. He is a nice smart, insightful guy who likes discussion but that is besides the point. Recently he said fox news was propaganda, that Hillary was likely a corporatist etc., and showed us allot of the Young Turks videos to make points about how the rich avoid justice.

Whilst I do like the fact he is making us see the world in a different light. I am a little concerned over one thing, Sociology only illustrates one side. For someone who is undecided on their political affiliation and may be doing sociology this can be particularly bad, it makes someone decide too early without gaining the full picture. This has even impacted me, I briefly founded myself supporting more socialist policies that I typically wouldn't of.

In addition I am worried about a groupthink environment being created. The current teacher we have is the type of person who is charismatic(Rated as NZ's most inspirational teacher of the year) and I can see having a big effect on the people he teaches. He has made it seem really cool to be seen as advocating for social justice and I can see many students in the class adopting that same mantra to fit in. Is this a bad thing?

The Young Turks, that is terrible. It is run by idiots.



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14 Mar 2017, 3:26 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
$51,000 per year is NOT a high salary in the US, by any means.....

Professors should not inject their own personal political beliefs into his instruction. That's considered a cardinal rule.

I've never taken sociology. I like the discipline---but many of the viewpoints, to me, are too dogmatically biased towards the "victims of oppression." Especially in "criminology," the perpetrator of the crime is given carte blanche, basically, and the victims are, at least, somewhat, blamed for the criminals' actions. Criminologists also frequently do not advocate incarceration for crimes committed; they sometimes even don't advocate any punishment at all. They advocate, in fullest terms, "rehabilitation."

I am for "rehabilitation," but I also believe the criminal should be held accountable for his/her actions, no matter how poverty stricken his/her upbringing was.

I once knew somebody who took sociology. I helped her with one of her papers. She told me that I must NOT put down an opinion contrary to the professor's opinions--otherwise, the professor will fail her. That's fascism, plain and simple.
As a far leftist, I agree 100%. Crime can be attributed to social and economic conditions to a point, but it gets absurd when plain selfish, manipulative, greedy, reckless, and malicious behaviour is explained away as a result of oppression. For example, poverty, discrimination, and broken homes do not explain firing a gun into a crowd just to get one person.

On a side note, I just saw a video of The Young Turks about the incident where a white dude was attacked by a black girl over his dreadlocks and Ana was the only one who had the sense not to laugh at it. No wonder they're called The Young Turds. At the same time, it is also disgraceful that it has incited racist backlash, like "If whites can't have dreadlocks, then blacks can't have (insert bare necessity or luxury here)".



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14 Mar 2017, 4:45 pm

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For example, poverty, discrimination, and broken homes do not explain firing a gun into a crowd just to get one person.

It does explain the disdain for life. If one grows up to know that they are worthless and unwanted, why not share the joy?



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14 Mar 2017, 5:15 pm

I'm split on this.

Part of me goes this way - he's endorsing Young Turks, that's all I need to know.

Part of me goes the other way - Hey, we're in the post-truth world now! He should go full-gusto and teach Dianetics! Sign students up for Sea Org!

Then again that second half of me is the same crude half that's inclined to make dead baby jokes now and then.


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