What if Abrahamic religions are a deception?
What would willing deception be then, who would want to go to hell?
But the Bible says it is the direct Word of God, so that's not a human report then.
What convinced you?
My problems lie more with the fact that these books portray the creator Himself as imperfect, by stating He is jealous, angry etc. I can't believe that.
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The Bible says God is a jealous God, that He gets angry etc. How is that perfect?
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One question at a time, please! Some people believe they can avoid hell by believing God will not ultimately destroy all doers of evil if the number might be great enough...and thus it is an act of their will to be deceived into believing that.
I am only aware of what people say the Bible allegedly says even though it cannot speak.
What convinced you?
What convinced me of what?
Where did you get the idea of jealousy and/or anger being evidence of imperfection?
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What makes an ''evildoer''?
According to the Bible, not believing in God is enough for that. Isn't that a little strange?
That the Bible is God's word? At least that's what I understood from your post.
Because Jesus had none of these characteristics, and we're supposed to follow him if we follow the Bible. So why would God be different?
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@Windigo: I do not do rhetorical stuff, so there is no such thing as "According to the Bible..." or something such as "Isn't that a little strange?" that will get much of a response from me in this kind of discussion.
Scripture is or contains records written by men, and that includes the report of the stone/stones at Sinai being "written by the finger of God" or however that is worded...and thus do we have many things reported as "the Word of God"...and my comment about the pizza delivery person was intended to show the fact that I might check the messenger's credentials a bit if the message being conveyed might sound a bit fishy, but a wart on his or her knows does not mean there is something wrong with the pizza.
Then why did he clear the temple?
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The Bible says God is a jealous God, that He gets angry etc. How is that perfect?
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Yes, jealousy and anger are mere emotions, not defects of character, and then many people confuse jealousy with selfishness or even envy. There is a difference, however: I am naturally and even rightly jealous over the affection of my wife, but it is not okay for me to selfishly lock her away from public view or to envy the affection another man might be receiving from his own wife.
As to anger:
Be angry and do not sin.
When he cleared the temple of money changers, he was rightly jealous over his Father's house having been made into a den of thieves.
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We're talking about an all knowing, all understanding, eternal being here called God.
I would say God is beyond such things as emotions, as nothing causes a reaction in Him because He already knows everything before it happens.
Which is exactly why books like the bible make zero sense to me.
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We're talking about an all knowing, all understanding, eternal being here called God.
I would say God is beyond such things as emotions, as nothing causes a reaction in Him because He already knows everything before it happens.
Which is exactly why books like the bible make zero sense to me.
Edit: I will propably resign from this discussion because I'm sensing that you are in a very uncomfortable position having to deal with two people alone.
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As best I can tell, that would be a god of your own imagination rather than our Creator, but I do understand your logic:
Question: How or why would that either negate or eliminate emotion?
hint: I doubt our Maker is an Aspie!
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As best I can tell, that would be a god of your own imagination rather than our Creator, but I do understand your logic:
Question: How or why would that either negate or eliminate emotion?
hint: I doubt our Maker is an Aspie!
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I somewhat expected you to say that
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And yes, maybe this is ''a God of my imagination''; because it's definitely not the God of the Bible. We agree there.
But what proves the God of the Bible is not just the figment of more people's imagination?
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Oops, no, you went too far there since I would never say "it's definitely not the God of the Bible." No human being could ever prove such a thing. Instead, I would say something more along the line of "God as I suspect you misunderstand Him."
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Some people definitely believe that and have their arguments, but permanent recovery from chronic alcoholism proves "the God of the Bible" (although not necessarily the god of religion) to me as well as to many others like myself.
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