Conservatism is my salvation from 'Neurotypical oppression'

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14 Apr 2017, 11:41 pm

I don't understand what being neurotypical has to do with it.


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14 Apr 2017, 11:42 pm

I don't know. If you pick conservatism. Nothing will change, people will carry on judging you and you may be left in your own little bubble.

Now turn to the left and that is where you may get something. Policies like Medicaid and social security arguably do allot to support a an autistic person.



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15 Apr 2017, 12:00 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
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neurotypical oppression doesn't have a political leaning.
i don't get the connection.

Some conservatives , such as the Libertarian-type conservative, promote "liberty".


The irony of Libertarians being 'Conservative' is that they're essentially the same thing as Classical 'Liberals'. Sadly, among the conservative establishment, this is freedom-loving bunch is still a relatively small group .



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15 Apr 2017, 12:06 am

@Shahuhshah, i think some worry that people will become overly dependent if they stick with that for too long, and they will be left unable to fend for themselves if it disappears.

sometimes, it is their business. still others are not comfortable with the fact that their money goes to things they don't agree with, and all of the sentiments are understandable.

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There's a lot of BS on the Left, like over-bureaucratizing systems, controlling what you can and can't say as well as the usual corruption found in all bloated organizations. But do you think conservatism is really a solution to that? Don't most conservatives want to control you? Like, they want to prevent you from doing things they consider immoral - 'unsanctioned' drugs, the wrong books, premarital sex, contraception, abortion, porn, science, etc. I think you're probably more in tune with libertarian-ism if you want government to let you be.


there are times when it is necessary to pick apart the controlling, religious nuts from conservatives that promote individual liberty. the latter is more inspiring.


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15 Apr 2017, 12:10 am

Kiprobalhato wrote:
@Shahuhshah, i think some worry that people will become overly dependent if they stick with that for too long, and they will be left unable to fend for themselves if it disappears.

sometimes, it is their business. still others are not comfortable with the fact that their money goes to things they don't agree with, and all of the sentiments are understandable.

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There's a lot of BS on the Left, like over-bureaucratizing systems, controlling what you can and can't say as well as the usual corruption found in all bloated organizations. But do you think conservatism is really a solution to that? Don't most conservatives want to control you? Like, they want to prevent you from doing things they consider immoral - 'unsanctioned' drugs, the wrong books, premarital sex, contraception, abortion, porn, science, etc. I think you're probably more in tune with libertarian-ism if you want government to let you be.


there are times when it is necessary to pick apart the controlling, religious nuts from conservatives that promote individual liberty. the latter is more inspiring.
Some support is still better than no support.

The effects of it is still good in many ways. Without medicaid and allot of social security people wouldn't have a chance to climb. With the resources provided by medicaid, someone may be able to afford job training and healthcare. Otherwise people would be left in the dirt.

Think about this as well, their is no political party aimed to overall gutting social security, so it is relatively safe unless your income is still low but higher than others.



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15 Apr 2017, 12:12 am

There are two good political quizzes that we have running threads about:

World's Smallest Political Quiz:
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Political Compass Quiz:
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The OP (and others) are welcome to give a try and post their results in those threads. Each quiz only takes a minute. See if the quiz identifies you the way you identify yourself.


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15 Apr 2017, 12:19 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
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Conservatives say things like, "You don't need a government master to tell you how to live your life".

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No, libertarians say that. Conservatives say the government shouldn't let gay couples marry, and shouldn't let women get abortions.

Libertarians think that aside from enforcing land owner rights, the government should stay out of people's business and pocket books.



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15 Apr 2017, 1:55 am

There are plenty of liberals who are not conservative.



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15 Apr 2017, 2:07 am

It's not worth the time worrying about ideological purity, I pick and choose what works for me. In my life I have been the victim of bureaucratic BS and grew up going to the 'diverse' schools that bourgeois progressives like to claim they care about but live 20 miles off in the suburbs. How many of you grew up in decent sized cities? There was most definitely a 'Democratic' machine which ran things in the city, it's controlled the city since literal Socialists controlled it a half century or so ago. It's now one of the poorest large cities in America with a murder rate that has gone way up in recently years. Progressivism seeks to destroy our way of life, it seeks to destroy western civilization, it is the globalist ideology and part of the reason this country is in such bad shape today.



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15 Apr 2017, 2:08 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
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Well very inspiring to cut resources from them...resources that can help them become more productive. People are more productive when they have their basic needs met actually. Not having basic needs met just makes people desperate not particularly 'productive'.

Conservatives promote cutting welfare to able-bodied people.

They also like to make sure the money is not going for booze, and drugs.


Well people aren't so able bodied if they are starving...aslso they didn't just cut it for 'able bodied people'. I talked to someoene to get hooked up with an employment specialist at the mental health center for my area. And she told me they made cuts to SSI/Disability and that is part of the reason tons of people have mentioned to them they've got a reduction in payment recently, perhaps that has something to do with them reducing my payments so much that if I wasn't living with my boyfriend who has been able to help me some I would be trying to live on 23 dollars a month after rent and utilities that's not even enough to cover my phone and tampons for for each month, let alone any other hygiene items. How the hell is that supposed to help?


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15 Apr 2017, 3:09 am

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Like many of you, I have lived my life under constant neurotypical oppression.

My oppressors told me, "You don't go out enough", "You spend too much time on your computer", "You don't socialize enough", "You shouldn't do that", "You shouldn't act that way", "You should say 'hi' to people in the morning", "You shouldn't dress that way, "Don't do that", "You're not doing it right", "You should make friends" .....

Even worse, my oppressors abused and humiliated me, because I didn't do things in their perceived "correct way".

The message was clear: I am wrong.

Then along comes conservatism.

Conservatives say things like, "You don't need a government master to tell you how to live your life".

Wow! What a powerful message to an oppressed person.

So, that's why I despise lefties, government control, socialism, and why I'm enamored with conservatism. :D


So...you were...and still are...being "oppressed". And the oppressors are all of the private citizens who surround you in your life ( oppress you by telling you to act like a normal person who gets out and socializes). You were never oppressed by the government (you never mention "the government" using the power of the state to put a gun to your head to force you to go to nightclubs and socialize).

Then you heard about "conservatism" which has as one of its pillars "big government is bad". And that inspired you because conservatism means the government should stop doing what...it NEVER did to you (which is "oppress' you in any way that you talk about), and further...it means that the government cant stop the private citizens around you from continuing to do they always did to you (namely "oppress" you). Thus conservatism is irrelevent (at best) to your plight of being oppressed by private citizen busybodies. And at worst conservatism would aid and abet private citizens "oppressing" you. And you like that.

So that means...you like being "oppressed"?

Or what?

What does all of your friends and relatives around you telling you to go out and socialize have to do with "big government"?


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15 Apr 2017, 3:42 am

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So...you were...and still are...being "oppressed". And the oppressors are all of the private citizens who surround you in your life ( oppress you by telling you to act like a normal person who gets out and socializes). You were never oppressed by the government (you never mention "the government" using the power of the state to put a gun to your head to force you to go to nightclubs and socialize).

Yes, I am still oppressed. I live with my mom. :)

ASD people are terribly oppressed by government.

Look up "ABA" ... the government forces ASD kids to go to schools where they're tortured by noises and bright lights, then they apply "behavioral therapy" to these kids to try to force them to act normal. I lived through a lot of that myself. Likely, the teachers/admin humiliate these kids when they act the "wrong way".

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Then you heard about "conservatism" which has as one of its pillars "big government is bad". And that inspired you because conservatism means the government should stop doing what...it NEVER did to you (which is "oppress' you in any way that you talk about), and further...it means that the government cant stop the private citizens around you from continuing to do they always did to you (namely "oppress" you). Thus conservatism is irrelevent (at best) to your plight of being oppressed by private citizen busybodies. And at worst conservatism would aid and abet private citizens "oppressing" you. And you like that. So that means...you like being "oppressed"? Or what?
What does all of your friends and relatives around you telling you to go out and socialize have to do with "big government"?

The lefties generally promote "collectivism" where there's an elder that decides what's best for the group. The right wingers, generally promote "individualism" where you make your own choices. I like "individualism".

Being oppressed has made me fond of the idea of "individual freedom".



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15 Apr 2017, 3:52 am

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Well very inspiring to cut resources from them...resources that can help them become more productive. People are more productive when they have their basic needs met actually. Not having basic needs met just makes people desperate not particularly 'productive'.

Conservatives promote cutting welfare to able-bodied people.

They also like to make sure the money is not going for booze, and drugs.


Well people aren't so able bodied if they are starving...aslso they didn't just cut it for 'able bodied people'. I talked to someoene to get hooked up with an employment specialist at the mental health center for my area. And she told me they made cuts to SSI/Disability and that is part of the reason tons of people have mentioned to them they've got a reduction in payment recently, perhaps that has something to do with them reducing my payments so much that if I wasn't living with my boyfriend who has been able to help me some I would be trying to live on 23 dollars a month after rent and utilities that's not even enough to cover my phone and tampons for for each month, let alone any other hygiene items. How the hell is that supposed to help?

I started working at age 28, and then I was fired from about 5-7 jobs.

I kept at it. At age 37 I was better functioning, and I have held work since.

I would say to keep trying to find work.



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15 Apr 2017, 3:56 am

nurseangela wrote:
I don't understand what being neurotypical has to do with it.

All our lives we are told by neurotypical people that our behavior is wrong.

That is why this site is called "Wrong Planet".



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15 Apr 2017, 6:01 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
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I don't understand what being neurotypical has to do with it.

All our lives we are told by neurotypical people that our behavior is wrong.

That is why this site is called "Wrong Planet".


That's certainly one interpretation.



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15 Apr 2017, 6:37 am

adifferentname wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
I don't understand what being neurotypical has to do with it.

All our lives we are told by neurotypical people that our behavior is wrong.

That is why this site is called "Wrong Planet".


That's certainly one interpretation.

The green alien gives it away.

The green alien represents "difference".

"Difference" from a neurotypical perspective.

"Difference" that gets pointed out to ASD people when NT people tell them, "Your behavior is odd/weird/strange/wrong".

And since our behaviors are odd/weird/strange/wrong, therefore, we are on the wrong planet.