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friedmacguffins
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05 May 2017, 12:40 pm

I liked the movie, and I understood it to mean that you carry-on, by forever reinventing yourself.

I am just offering an alternative point of view, and, fwiw, you do not seem to be one of those, using repellent behavior, to get attention, or forcing your view on others. To me, that seems more sincere or intellectually-honest.

There is a saying that all work and no play make Johnny a dull boy, and variety is the spice of life, but, as I study these historical subjects, I find that older civilizations develop amazing polish and refinement, usually more than our own. I think, I find novelty in some stodgy things, because it's unusual, to hear about them.



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05 May 2017, 12:43 pm

are you still here :D you understand nothing, i'm not "reinventing" myself. i'm done. :D



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05 May 2017, 12:47 pm

friedmacguffins wrote:
, you do not seem to be one of those, using repellent behavior, to get attention, or forcing your view on others.


i do. Sometimes. I should - it is my way to connect to other. We need Other in Lacan's sense.
But it is not mean to the end.



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05 May 2017, 5:21 pm

I think your understanding of "will to power" is a misunderstanding.

Here is Deleuze's interpretation of Nietzsche's Will to Power:

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This original depth, Zarathoustra's celebrated height-depth, must be named the will to power. Of course, Mr. Birault figured out how we must understand the term "will to power." It's not wanting to live, because how could whatever life is want to live? It's not a desire for domination either, because how could whatever it is that dominates desire to dominate? Zarathoustra says: "The desire to dominate: now who would call that a desire?" The will to power, then, is not a will that wants power or wants to dominate.

Such an interpretation would indeed have two disadvantages. If the will to power meant wanting power, it would clearly depend on long established values, such as honor, money, or social influence, since these values determine the attribution and recognition of power as an object of desire and will. And this power which the will desired could be obtained only by throwing itself into the struggle or fight. More to the point, we ask: who wants such power? who wants to dominate? Precisely those whom Nietzsche calls slaves and the weak. Wanting power is the image of the will to power which the impotent invent for themselves. Nietzsche always saw in struggle, in fighting, a means of selection that worked in reverse, turning to the advantage of slaves and herds. This is one of Nietzsche's great observations: "The strong must be defended just like the weak." Certainly, in the desire to dominate, in the image of the will to power which the impotent invent for themselves, we discover a will to power: but at its lowest level. The will to power has its highest level in an intense or intensive form, which is neither coveting nor taking, but giving, creating. Its true name, says Zarathoustra, is the virtue that gives. 4 And the mask is the most beautiful gift, showing the will to power as a plastic force, as the highest power of art. Power is not what the will wants, but that which wants in will, that is to say, Dionysos.


An excerpt from Nietzsche's Twilight of Idols:
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Philosophers and moralists are lying to themselves when they think that they are going to extricate themselves from decadence by waging war on it. Extrication is not in their power: what they choose as a remedy, as an escape, is itself only another expression of decadence - they change the way it is expressed but do not get rid of the thing itself. [...] The most glaring daylight, rationality at any cost, a cold, bright, cautious, conscious life without instinct, opposed to instinct, was itself just a sickness, another sickness - and in no way a return to 'virtue', to 'health', to happiness... To have to fight the instincts - that is the formula for decadence: as long as life is ascending, happiness is equal to instinct.


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05 May 2017, 10:43 pm

rama wrote:
I think your understanding of "will to power" is a misunderstanding.

"The strong must be defended just like the weak." Certainly, in the desire to dominate, in the image of the will to power which the impotent invent for themselves, we discover a will to power: but at its lowest level. The will to power has its highest level in an intense or intensive form, which is neither coveting nor taking, but giving, creating. Its true name, says Zarathoustra, is the virtue that gives. 4 And the mask is the most beautiful gift, showing the will to power as a plastic force, as the highest power of art. Power is not what the will wants, but that which wants in will, that is to say, Dionysos.

I knew it.

An excerpt from Nietzsche's Twilight of Idols:
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... think that they are going to extricate themselves from decadence by waging war on it. Extrication is not in their power: what they choose as a remedy, as an escape, is itself only another expression of decadence - they change the way it is expressed but do not get rid of the thing itself. [...] .
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Agree, look at Third Reich what can be more decadent. As decadent i love it :)



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05 May 2017, 11:24 pm

So it means i'm decadent who build delusional dreams about power to overcome my moral weakness and fear.
Assuming i'm nothing; would it be more valorous to accept my flaws and worthlessness rather to seek power to overcome inner void and nothingness.
How can anyone escape from feeling of worthlessness and weakness to power and prosperity while he still feels the wortnlessnes.
Have no idea.



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06 May 2017, 3:03 am

but others are worthless too :D



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06 May 2017, 6:09 am

JLD wrote:
So it means i'm decadent who build delusional dreams about power to overcome my moral weakness and fear.
Assuming i'm nothing; would it be more valorous to accept my flaws and worthlessness rather to seek power to overcome inner void and nothingness.
How can anyone escape from feeling of worthlessness and weakness to power and prosperity while he still feels the wortnlessnes.
Have no idea.

Perhaps the only way does not exist.
Nietzsche wrote:
Let us face ourselves. We are Hyperboreans; we know very well how far off we live. 'Neither by land nor by sea will you find the way to the Hyperboreans'—Pindar already knew this about us. Beyond the north, ice, and death—our life, our happiness. We have discovered happiness, we know the way, we have found the exit out of the labyrinth of thousands of years. Who else has found it? Modern man perhaps? 'I have got lost; I am everything that has got lost,' sighs modern man. This modernity was our sickness: lazy peace, cowardly compromise, the whole virtuous uncleanliness of the modern Yes and No. … Rather live in the ice than among modern virtues and other south winds! We were intrepid enough, we spared neither ourselves nor others; but for a long time we did not know where to turn with our intrepidity. We became gloomy, we were called fatalists. Our fatum—abundance, tension, the damming of strength. We thirsted for lightning and deeds and were most remote from the happiness of the weakling, 'resignation.' In our atmosphere was a thunderstorm; the nature we are became dark—for we saw no way. Formula for our happiness: a Yes, a No, a straight line, a goal.


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06 May 2017, 6:21 am

rama wrote:
JLD wrote:
So it means i'm decadent who build delusional dreams about power to overcome my moral weakness and fear.
Assuming i'm nothing; would it be more valorous to accept my flaws and worthlessness rather to seek power to overcome inner void and nothingness.
How can anyone escape from feeling of worthlessness and weakness to power and prosperity while he still feels the wortnlessnes.
Have no idea.

Perhaps the only way does not exist.
Nietzsche wrote:
Let us face ourselves. We are Hyperboreans; we know very well how far off we live. 'Neither by land nor by sea will you find the way to the Hyperboreans'—Pindar already knew this about us. Beyond the north, ice, and death—our life, our happiness. We have discovered happiness, we know the way, we have found the exit out of the labyrinth of thousands of years. Who else has found it? Modern man perhaps? 'I have got lost; I am everything that has got lost,' sighs modern man. This modernity was our sickness: lazy peace, cowardly compromise, the whole virtuous uncleanliness of the modern Yes and No. … Rather live in the ice than among modern virtues and other south winds! We were intrepid enough, we spared neither ourselves nor others; but for a long time we did not know where to turn with our intrepidity. We became gloomy, we were called fatalists. Our fatum—abundance, tension, the damming of strength. We thirsted for lightning and deeds and were most remote from the happiness of the weakling, 'resignation.' In our atmosphere was a thunderstorm; the nature we are became dark—for we saw no way. Formula for our happiness: a Yes, a No, a straight line, a goal.


I read it before.



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06 May 2017, 6:28 am

Charisma decides what is true and what's not. True does not exist-only mimicry of true.
Then again will.
Victory matters not truth