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27 Jun 2017, 11:03 am

/\Thats Kaa,from the Jungle Book movie.Snakes have a bad rap in Christianity,many other religions revere them.


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27 Jun 2017, 5:49 pm

Lucifer has a bad rap, in Christianity. Many other religious revere him.



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28 Jun 2017, 10:03 am

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Do you believe that Lucifer, or some version of him, is the god of gnosticism? Is this what you mean to portray with the snake?

Luciferians are saying that they pit both sides of every major conflict against eachother.

You are saying, why do we select warrior gods.


I hold no supernatural beliefs. I have put away the things of children.

In a sense, we are quite close to Karaite Jews and Buddhists. Both those creeds place man above God as they know that all the Gods are manmade.

Modern Gnostic Christians use the name I am for the God we follow, and as free thinkers, we mean ourselves. We never give up our responsibility to guide ourselves to any invisible guy in the sky.

We seek the good within ourselves and use some of the teachings of Jesus to help us seek Gnosis.

Here are a part of those teachings.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

If you have the time. is first link speaks of this in depth. The other is history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbes ... r_embedded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02cia ... =PLCBF574D

To your --- "Luciferians are saying that they pit both sides of every major conflict against each other.

That seem like a good way to reach a conclusion for any issue. It would help people to get past their personal biases.

Gnostic say it this way.

Said of Gnostic Christian versus Christian bible reading practices.

“Both read the Bible day and night; but you read black where I read white.”
William Blake.

I would take this further and advise you to read any scriptures from as many POV as is within you. Question everything including yourself.

The bible, if read as a book of wisdom, does have much wisdom though.

You just have to read it the way Gnostics do and revers a lot of the Christian morals.

Christians call evil good while Gnostic Christians call evil, evil.

I E. Gnostic Christians think that bible God, the demiurge to us, is quite immoral for thinking that torturing King David's baby for 6 days before finally killing it is good justice. Gnostic Christians think that evil while Christians think that a good form of justice.

Which group do you think is right?

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28 Jun 2017, 10:16 am

Misslizard wrote:
/\Thats Kaa,from the Jungle Book movie.Snakes have a bad rap in Christianity,many other religions revere them.


True.

Ka is also defined as soul by the Egyptians and further to what you said on serpent cults, they were quite popular and many and I think that that is why Christianity reversed the Jewish view of Eden as our place of elevation to that of our fall, so as to vilify serpents. Remember that Moses had a serpent headed stall and that the priest class had a serpent as their emblem. The serpent, to the Jews, was thought of as being God’s loyal opposition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fS9-Yimdhw

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28 Jun 2017, 10:21 am

friedmacguffins wrote:
Lucifer has a bad rap, in Christianity. Many other religious revere him.


Her, if you look at Christian iconography like the Vatican's painting of the fall. Note those nice breasts.

Please read the post above and add this to the reversal of Eden, --- from our elevation to our fall, --- and you will see that Christianity tried to vilify God's helper, the serpent, and man's helpmeet, women all with the same swipe.

Not too surprising then to recognize that Christianity is not only homophobic but also quite misogynous.

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28 Jun 2017, 1:43 pm

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To your --- "Luciferians are saying that they pit both sides of every major conflict against each other.

That seem like a good way to reach a conclusion for any issue. It would help people to get past their personal biases.

Gnostic say it this way.

Said of Gnostic Christian versus Christian bible reading practices.

“Both read the Bible day and night; but you read black where I read white.”
William Blake.


You're a poseur, putting people at eachothers' throats. Blessed be the peacemakers.

I am made out to be a bad person, for saying there is objective morality, even for agnostics.

To the leftists, none of the Puritanical kind-of stuff can be an issue, when you're not being campy or obtrusive. To each, his own.



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28 Jun 2017, 2:01 pm

friedmacguffins wrote:
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quote]To your --- "Luciferians are saying that they pit both sides of every major conflict against each other.

That seem like a good way to reach a conclusion for any issue. It would help people to get past their personal biases.

Gnostic say it this way.

Said of Gnostic Christian versus Christian bible reading practices.

“Both read the Bible day and night; but you read black where I read white.”
William Blake.


You're a poseur, putting people at eachothers' throats. Blessed be the peacemakers.


Only when I see Christians adoring a genocidal son murdering prick.

Do you not think it worthy to try to get those idol worshipers to find a moral and less satanic God?

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I am made out to be a bad person, for saying there is objective morality, even for agnostics.

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Not by me. I just see a guy who is not thinking correctly.

I think all morals have a subjective component as no one has shown an objective moral tenant that does stands on it own objectively.

You should have an example or two for us to look at. Care to produce such an objective moral tenant?

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28 Jun 2017, 2:19 pm

The narrative, where the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is Satan.

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Only when I see Christians adoring a genocidal son murdering prick.

You said it was a good idea, to pit mutually-exclusive worldviews against eachother.

An animal was offered in place of Isaac.

The (apparent non-human monster) races, in the Old Testament, would have been driven out, by such forces of nature as hornets, or the blowing of horns. Their sacrifices were literal.



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28 Jun 2017, 2:21 pm

friedmacguffins wrote:
The narrative, where the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is Satan.


Sorry. You lost me as I know of no such narative.

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28 Jun 2017, 2:26 pm

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Christians adoring a genocidal son murdering prick.

Do you not think it worthy to try to get those idol worshipers to find a moral and less satanic God?

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The narrative, where the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is Satan.


Like playing whack-a-mole.



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28 Jun 2017, 2:33 pm

They broadly believe that Lucifer, or the Lightbearer, or the Illuminator of mankind is is light side of 'the force'.

The jealous, vindictive, and racist, Biblical God is compared to Satan, by theosophists, will-to-power-ists, their various and sundry lookalikes.

They either wish themselves to a better place, by the power of positive thinking, by karma, or cease to exist, altogether, either returning material existence, to the nihilistic void, or some non-descript garden of Eden type-of place, for the Kafka-esque.



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28 Jun 2017, 2:37 pm

Thanks.



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28 Jun 2017, 2:40 pm

Why not just say what you want, and how to get it, without parsing people.



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28 Jun 2017, 3:57 pm

If God is all knowing then why did he create Lucifer? If God can do no evil,and Lucifer was created by God,and is said to de evil,then didn't God create evil?
I see no evidence of an all loving,caring God.Just look at the news.If he's there,then he is lax at showing compassion for the poor creatures on this earth.
Wishing for a better place for oneself thru Karma isn't exactly what it's about.It's to free all beings from the endless wheel of suffering,not just yourself.


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28 Jun 2017, 4:42 pm

Misslizard wrote:
If God is all knowing then why did he create Lucifer? If God can do no evil,and Lucifer was created by God,and is said to de evil,then didn't God create evil?
I see no evidence of an all loving,caring God.Just look at the news.If he's there,then he is lax at showing compassion for the poor creatures on this earth.
Wishing for a better place for oneself thru Karma isn't exactly what it's about.It's to free all beings from the endless wheel of suffering,not just yourself.


Why indeed.

A man of morals, logic and reason, who tries to answer your questions, will not be able to because he will not buy into the lies that all priests, preachers and imams tell their sheeple on a constant basis.

You have to go into intellectual and moral dissonance to be able to swallow that many lies about some guy in the sky.

That is why Christianity and Islam have grown by the sword instead of a moral ideology that shows a better way of life.

Their only road to a better way of life that supernaturally based religions offer is for people to accept to be delusional or just as much of a liar as their holy men.

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30 Jun 2017, 2:43 pm

But, gnosticism makes you the guy in the sky. It means that you are personally responsible, for everything God has ever done wrong.