Do you know that the God of the Bible doesn't exist?

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Without proof, there is no such thing as a "God".

The fictional deity was invented to explain what the current level of technology could not, and to give a sense of hope and motivation to people.

Just like the Gods of Rome and Greece...

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It is true that the burden of proof lies with them for making the claim of a God, but let's not be so quick to dismiss it.

And for power and control.

That too. Though alot of religions were simply manipulated and not created by leaders, it would seem. Denominations created by them, yes.

Scientology was definitely created by a crack addict, as a definition of all that is wrong with religion.

It's funny because it's true.

Why do you trust this "knowledge" if you can't explain to yourself how it came to exist? How do you know your brain isn't simply misfiring?

See? That's an actual experience. He visibly saw God's light. That's what caused him to believe. That's the sort of answer I'm looking for from you.

I'm only asking you to show it to yourself. How do you know? If you can explain that, then we'll have some sort of appropriate starting point. As I've already said, you won't be able to replicate the belief in others, but you can explain how you came to hold the opinion you currently hold.

So what happened? Just that? You suddenly had this knowledge? Or was there something else? And if you suddenly had this knowledge, why do you still? If you can't justify even to yourself, why do you continue to believe it?

I have no idea how to reach God, or even if I'd want to. I see no benefit in doing so. If there is a benefit, I would need to be convinced of it.

I'm the closest thing to the ideal rational agent I've ever found. I hold opinions only when I have reason to hold those opinions.

And what reason better than faith?
Seriously, one bases EVERYTHING
that they know on what amounts to
faith. Even one's own existence cannot
be proven, merely argued from faith
that it CANNOT be otherwise.

Why do you trust the knowledge that you'll be able to open your eyes tomorrow morning, when you don't remember exactly where and when you obtained that knowledge? That's as silly a question as yours, and along the same lines.

Thusly: Even if you don't remember the moment when you first opened your eyes, you can retest that capability in the present. Same with my relationship with God.


How can I be sure yours isn't?

My friend said it took that kind of stunning evidence for him to repent, because he was so hard-hearted against God. That's one way of looking at it, but, for sure, God can make an inner experience much more powerful than an external (somewhat second-hand) one. From an early age, I knew that God was with me -- a real, all-knowing, and very quiet being, who loved me.

How would you know if I showed it to myself?

Mmmm...no we wouldn't, really. The starting point would be the ending point, because you wouldn't have any new evidence.

Again, you're making all kinds of mere assumptions against the experiences I've shared. It's just a bias, and I can't correct that within you.

Alright then, now we're getting somewhere. You said you don't want to reach God, and see no benefit in it -- so why all the questions? You're not sincerely seeking Him, so in fact you're guarunteed to not find Him! He is a God who rewards those who say essentially: "I don't see, but I want to", not those who falsely say: "I see! There is no God." "And Jesus said, 'For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.' And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, 'Are we blind also?' Jesus said to them, 'If you were blind, you should have no sin: but now you say, 'We see'; therefore your sin remains'" (John 9:39-41).


You deceive yourself in that opinion.

actually... the sky is every color but blue and grass is every color but green....

science perspecitive

Exactly. Science is too dumb to know that the sky is blue and the grass is green. I dare not trust it for much grander matters.

And, does that mean you're not white?

Actually, yes. Last time I checked, I was more pink than white.

You can't prove something doesn't exist but I would say that the probability of the god of the bable existing is extremely low. So low I can't see wasting my time considering it.

Many people feel the same about human existence. There's no proof we're actually here, or alive, or have free thought. I don't think God's any less likely than we are.

True. But some people need to believe that just to stay sane.

True.