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adifferentname
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17 Aug 2017, 9:28 am

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I'm no appeaser, thank you!

It was one of the appalling things in history, actually, when Neville Chamberlain, in 1938, appeased Hitler and the Nazis.


But if they can't label you a Nazi sympathiser, how can they justify punching you?

Clearly you must accept the arbitrary and narrow identities others wish to squeeze you into.



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17 Aug 2017, 9:32 am

I feel there will be a centrist backlash soon.

We've had enough of this crap, this extremism.



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17 Aug 2017, 10:04 am

Nazis? I believe i have never even seen an actual national socialist in my life.


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17 Aug 2017, 10:09 am

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Nazis? I believe i have never even seen an actual national socialist in my life.


Clearly an apologist. I've reserved a spot for you in the gulag.



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17 Aug 2017, 10:23 am

PatrickJane wrote:
Nazis? I believe i have never even seen an actual national socialist in my life.


That's what I was discussing with someone earlier. I've never seen a nazi irl. I've seen plenty of other groups like Hell's Angels and Bandidos. But never have I ever seen a swastika wearing nazi. Not even with all the zillions of people I've seen out on the Vegas strip all the years I lived in Vegas.

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PatrickJane wrote:
Nazis? I believe i have never even seen an actual national socialist in my life.


Clearly an apologist. I've reserved a spot for you in the gulag.


Sign me up too. But keep in mind that I'm also a KGB secret agent.



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17 Aug 2017, 10:29 am

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Defining centrists in terms of compromise is as asinine as it is inaccurate, let alone trying to apply such a narrow definition to an entire group of people - or, in other words, more identity politics.


2nded.

People in the center, particularly anti-authoritarian center rather than neoliberal/neoconservative, tend to defend both the 1st and 2nd amendment for similar reasons; ie. the 2nd amendment is to make the odds of a tyrranical government much more remote and costly as a deterrent, the 1st amendment, in particular free speech, is the even more important protection we have against ever having society decay enough to have the 2nd amendment actually come to fruition. Sun Tzu actually said this quite clearly in the Art of War - ie. that war, ie. physical violence, is a sign of failure in every other category.

When radicals say that speech is 'blahblahblahblahblah' and no action to help the oppressed they utterly forget that speech precedes flow of public will, flow of money, sponsorship, and most politicians lick their fingers to see which way the wind is blowing - ie. their integrity is only existent when it's supplemented by our integrity, and that supplementation takes a populace where the general climate promotes clear-thinking and reason. To that end it's like the radicals think that whatever's not immediately happening - now - is a fiction and anyone deferring gratification or trying to collect a more long-term and stable resolution to problems is some type of secret sycophant to the society's current ills. I see a massive bucket of evidence for that perception getting poured out all over the PPR and current events folders right now.


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17 Aug 2017, 11:02 am

EzraS wrote:
Sign me up too. But keep in mind that I'm also a KGB secret agent.


:lol:

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Defining centrists in terms of compromise is as asinine as it is inaccurate, let alone trying to apply such a narrow definition to an entire group of people - or, in other words, more identity politics.


2nded.

People in the center, particularly anti-authoritarian center rather than neoliberal/neoconservative, tend to defend both the 1st and 2nd amendment for similar reasons; ie. the 2nd amendment is to make the odds of a tyrranical government much more remote and costly as a deterrent, the 1st amendment, in particular free speech, is the even more important protection we have against ever having society decay enough to have the 2nd amendment actually come to fruition. Sun Tzu actually said this quite clearly in the Art of War - ie. that war, ie. physical violence, is a sign of failure in every other category.


- The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.

- Victorious warriors win first then go to war, defeated warriors go to war first then seek to win.

- The greatest victory is that which requires no battle.

- The wise warrior avoids the battle.

Antifa and their Progressive supporters would do well to remember the following:

- When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard.

- If ignorant both of your enemy and yourself, you are certain to be in peril.

Oh, and for GoT fans:

- In the midst of chaos, there is also opportunity.

And of course, there are many, many more highly appropriate quotes I might have used.

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When radicals say that speech is 'blahblahblahblahblah' and no action to help the oppressed they utterly forget that speech precedes flow of public will, flow of money, sponsorship, and most politicians lick their fingers to see which way the wind is blowing - ie. their integrity is only existent when it's supplemented by our integrity, and that supplementation takes a populace where the general climate promotes clear-thinking and reason. To that end it's like the radicals think that whatever's not immediately happening - now - is a fiction and anyone deferring gratification or trying to collect a more long-term and stable resolution to problems is some type of secret sycophant to the society's current ills. I see a massive bucket of evidence for that perception getting poured out all over the PPR and current events folders right now.


Quite so. As you allude to, it's both short-sighted and foolish.

There's also an element of moralistic bullying going on that I find entirely distasteful. Whilst I don't advocate for PPR to be a bubble-wrapped haven, there's a noticeable uptick in the number of posts whose authors have either forgotten where the line is drawn or, worse, choose to ignore it.



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17 Aug 2017, 11:09 am

Naziism is an evil, hateful and destructive, ideology, and must be fought tooth and nail.

Anyone who doesn't acknowledge this simple fact, who doesn't want to acknowledge nazis as a clear enemy... Well, I don't even want to talk to them. How can I take such a person seriously?



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17 Aug 2017, 11:12 am

Can't say I've actually met a Nazi, either.

I have encountered many people of many stripes.



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17 Aug 2017, 11:22 am

So many of you are insisting on pissing on soldiers of many nationalities who laid down their lives to prevent your extermination.

That is disgusting and disgraceful.



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17 Aug 2017, 11:37 am

adifferentname wrote:
There's also an element of moralistic bullying going on that I find entirely distasteful. Whilst I don't advocate for PPR to be a bubble-wrapped haven, there's a noticeable uptick in the number of posts whose authors have either forgotten where the line is drawn or, worse, choose to ignore it.


For as much as I usually tend to be emotionally sensitive and constantly self-criticizing and self-reviewing I realize I'm going to have to do the later two at the expense of the former. There's a sort of verbal/textual LSD floating around in here at the moment and if my emotions get the better of my thinking I might eventually be left poking the very chair I'm sitting in to verify whether it's real anymore.


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17 Aug 2017, 11:39 am

I honor all Allied armies of World War II..



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17 Aug 2017, 11:40 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
There's also an element of moralistic bullying going on that I find entirely distasteful. Whilst I don't advocate for PPR to be a bubble-wrapped haven, there's a noticeable uptick in the number of posts whose authors have either forgotten where the line is drawn or, worse, choose to ignore it.


For as much as I usually tend to be emotionally sensitive and constantly self-criticizing and self-reviewing I realize I'm going to have to do the later two at the expense of the former. There's a sort of verbal/textual LSD floating around in here at the moment and if my emotions get the better of my thinking I might eventually be left poking the very chair I'm sitting in to verify whether it's real anymore.


You support coddling Nazis and then refer to yourself as "sensitive"?

LOL!



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17 Aug 2017, 11:47 am

@ adifferentname

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Antifa and their Progressive supporters would do well to remember the following:

- When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard.


I think it's quite possible they are well aware of this. And are pushing the right the way they are in order to provoke a reaction in order to get the support behind them they want in order to get the action taken against them they want. I have felt this way for some time. These people operate by any means necessary. Also, in my past experiences with SJWs, I was set up in a similar way so I've been on the wrong end of such a tactic personally. You know, the crybully tactic.

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So many of you are insisting on pissing on soldiers of many nationalities who laid down their lives to prevent your extermination.

That is disgusting and disgraceful.

*Reaches up to pull you from your high horse*

Those soldiers you speak of would be pleased with the nazi factions being contained in the way are. Or were before antifa and the hard left started stirring them up. If they were more like the antifa, then after the victory mass exterminations of German soldiers (and civilians, it wasn't just fighting age men who supported Hitler) and destruction (and punching Germans in the face) would have taken place in Germany and the nation would have been sliced up into pieces and absorbed into the borders of the various allied nations.



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17 Aug 2017, 11:53 am

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You support coddling Nazis and then refer to yourself as "sensitive"?

LOL!

By all means keep it up! People need to know what kind of person you are.


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17 Aug 2017, 11:58 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
KagamineLen wrote:
You support coddling Nazis and then refer to yourself as "sensitive"?

LOL!

By all means keep it up! People need to know what kind of person you are.


I am proud to be anti-Nazi.

You would let the enemy commit mass murder and attack anybody who makes a stand against it.