Why can't God return his protection to the world?

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Hi K.

How would you equate or describe Noah's flood in terms of protecting the world when it was the sons of God who created the crisis in the first place?

Regards
DL

Good point.

Were lucky that God doesn't lash out at us ala Sodom and Gomarrah, and Noah' Flood (if you're going by the Bible)more often than he does. So expecting us to actually "protect" us would seem to be asking a lot!

The original poster hasn't returned to his thread yet to explain to us what he is talking about.

Perhaps he will return.

It is quite hard to show a protective God when that same God can cure as well as kill yet always seems to kill.

Regards
DL

You tell the OP his question is meaningless in the second comment made and now you comment that the OP hasn't come back to explain himself? Well, Duh.
Guess you got what you wanted, didn't you - invalidate them and make them go away.

No.
I was inviting him to explain the meaning of what he said.

How can you "invalidate" something when it is impossible to decipher it in the first place?

We had no suffering in the garden of eden and look how that turned out. Bad. We are living in a cursed world. The world itself groans and so do we. Whats the answer? Jesus. God does protect us but everything happens for a reason. Even Christians get killed or get cancer or worse. So ask yourself is God trying to rescue me from myself and this world? The answer is yes. He wants to be close to you. He loves you so much. He wants to hear from you and for you to get to know him. Come as you are and let Him mould you.

Much love, Nay.

Do it His way not yours.

Suffering brings you closer to God unless you dig your heels in and reject Him.

The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. What that means is you respect God and love and trust Him so much that you don't want to do wrong. Fear Him he is your maker and creator whether you agree with that or not. He docent want you to perish. For God so loved Nay that he gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. For the unbeliever there is two deaths and for the believer only one. Don't try and imagine what paradise is like you can't we are not suppose to.

Much Love, Nay.

Once you die, you can't change your mind. Decision time ...... You can't sit on the fence the devil owns the fence.

What absolutely knocks me out is being forced to realize that all of this is likely true to some degree. I still have no clue to what degree conscious agents in the universe make excuses for the way things are or for whatever reason give NDE'ers a sense of false ownership, trying to reconcile Darwinian evolution and dog-eats-dog in design of creation with somehow unconditional love doing anything other than help you take care of those who'll allow you to be peaceable toward them I have no clue.

I think that's where we have a really hard and nasty paradox - ie. a material universe that by all intents and purposes is completely amoral, and that's weighed against what might call the standard new-agey soul plan tropes of the people who, to my best estimate, actually did step past it. It stacks up almost as badly as a literalist 20th century protestant interpretation the bible just that, as uncomfortable as it is to acknowledge, the former is almost infinitely more likely than the later and the holes that can be poked in it seem to be decreasing with examination rather than increasing.


I know none of that's particularly cozy but yep - odds are Plotinus' universal emanation deity is less Yahweh and more Sybil.

There were "golden ages", and then there were "golden ages".

I don't think that the OP meant anything like either the Pagan myth of Pandora, nor the Judea-Christian pre fall Genisis when things were supposed to have been SO good that we didn't have death nor toothaches.

He meant something akin "the Golden Age of Greece", or of ROme, or the High Renaissance, or some period like that.

The period of postwar prosperity in the US (from 1946 to 1965 aprox) when "even ordinary folks could afford things like boats"(as mom and dad used to say) may be remember as a kind of "golden age" of the modern USA in the future (if it isn't already thought of that way by many).

Back when Oliver North ran for the Senate he would say things like "things went bad for this country just when we turned away from God" (ie in the late Sixties?).

That's the Fundie meme that the OP is referring to: that things were fine for a period just within the US (not really "the world"). And then things got complicated. And its all because we supposedly ignored God.

The narrative does have a certain internal logic.

But the OP couldnt keep that narrative straight. So he couldn't state it properly. So no one of any belief(secular, atheist, religious, Fundy, or non Fundy) could fathom what he was trying to say. And he couldn't defend nor explain what he was saying even to himself, so he retreated from his own thread never to return.

The US is a young country that seems to be losing it's "beginner's luck" in the last few decades. But I don't think God is taking away smoke stack industries from us because we don't pray enough (if that's what the OP thinks).

Don't ever be sorry for voicing your opinion; even if you feel you are not doing it in the best way it's still better out than in.

The true God would never make a mistake. He would never abandon anything or anyone. Nothing and no one just falls into a crack in the universe and is never heard from again... everything has always been and will always be safe and eventually, saved.

Check out near-death.com, it's a really good site. It even talks about the future, though it isn't written in stone... we have free will and we can cancel prophecies by taking the warning they give and being better people and preventing that stuff from happening. Love will win, and there will be no nuclear war, though a nuclear reactor may explode and make everyone come to their senses and destroy their nuclear weapons. The world will exist until we all decide to move on to another place... it will not end with or in disaster.

Try to pray when you have free time, it helps too. Apparently 20 people praying together can divert a horrible world war.

This is true, but his way is not what your church preaches.

Jesus is the way and that way is the Gnostic Christian way. Not Christianity’s way.

Isaiah 56:11) "They are shepherds who have no understanding; They have all turned to their own way, each on to his unjust gain, to the last one" But do not despair, for the day of judgment is at hand, for the day of judgment and the day of the LORD occupy the same time frame. All the dross will be burned away. (Zech 13:9) & (Malachi 3:3). In that day, "you will distinguish between the righteous and the wicked" (Malachi 3:18)

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

The Luke and Mark quotes are referring to the following.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

For an extended view of that from my favorite philosopher. ----

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbes ... r_embedded

You will note that the bible teaches Jesus’ way and Gnostic Christianity follows that good way, yet the church never teaches Jesus’ true way.

Why is Christianity ignoring and even hiding the only worthy Jesus and the teachings of his way?

Regards
DL

He'd have to exist before he could protect the world. There's never been any protection.

Don't trust in yourself and your own wisdom. Trust God and ask Him for the truth. The truth is in His word.