What opinions are mandatory for a feminist?

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Why is okay then to say "right wingers think this and that".

I am not wrong btw, when talking to feminists, reading feminists websites, reading what feminists write on forums this is exactly what feminists are thinking and saying. I never seen any feminists claim "islam and buddhism sucks and hate gays" or "arab man are racists" or "christianity is the religion of peace and love". but i see all the time feminists say "islam is peace and tolerant for gay people" "arab males are good guys" etc.

Lets see with you 2...answer this questions:

1: do chrisian arabs, christian black people deserve to be opressed?
2: can only white males be racists, homophobic and anti-women?
3: is it only white males that have had slaves and imperalism?
4: is christianity the only religion in the world which is homophobic and anti-women?

Yes, but why do you change the subject, this thread is about what feminists think about religions and skin color.

Feminists around the world claims that white males are inherent violent, racist and anti-women, but that non-white males is not. They also claim that christianity is inherent violent, anti-women and homophobic while other religions such as islam, judaism, buddhism etc is not.

^I am an equalityist, I think both sexes should be equal...I appreciate historical feminism, and feminism in developing countries or religious theocracies where a lot of women are denied basic rights. However I think in modern times we should be focusing on everyones rights not just one specific group....I think in some western countries some self identified feminists have tried hijacking the movement to promote female superiority which I certainly don't agree with. But I don't get people who say feminism in general is bad...its great where needed for women getting equal rights and treatment...but people can certainly hijack the ideas just to promote weird female supremacy ideas. I mean kind of like some white-supremacists like to hijack nordic pagan symbols to symbolize their racism when it actually has nothing to do with it.

The problem with feminism is not that the want equality is the fact that feminism is anti-white and anti-christiantity while being pro non-white males and pro islam, hinduism, buddhism etc. It is this double moral that me and other dont like with you feminists.

no, that list is mainstream feminists views.

nobody have problem with feminism itself, its the way how feminism have been hijacked that people have problem with. the feminism you see today (the mainstream one) is about promoting islam and other religions while bashing christiatianity and also bashing against white males which while non-white males are "good guys".

I guess I am a feminist but I never put that label on myself. The OP's description of feminism doesn't fit me because I believe none of that stuff.

Those sound like generalizations and I don't see how any of it you listed in the OP have anything to do with it. Some people just suck regardless of what group they are part of.

As a man who considers himself a feminist, no to every single one of those statements.

All of the things you are saying about what feminists believe are huge generalizations and are not specific nor related to feminism. Every feminist is going to believe something different, just like every white or black or straight or gay or Christian or Muslim or whatever person is going to believe something at least somewhat different than each other individual of their race or religion or community or fanfiction club or whatever the hell group they exist within.

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That list seems like mainstream views because the SJW wing of feminism makes more of a ruckus and the mainstream feminists has been unable or unwilling to the stand up to them because they are older and the SJW’s know how to use social media better or because of the enemy of my enemy is my friend thinking.

Also, white_as_snow, since you insist on making "the opinions of feminists" into a race issue, I think the reason why many feminists often show support for non-whites and non-Christians is because the Western power complex -- which favors and is controlled by a group that largely consists of wealthy, white, Christian males -- not only oppresses women, but also oppresses most human beings who don't fit into said control group. Or to simplify it, feminists speak out in support of other minority groups because they can relate to the same struggles that other minorities commonly face.

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As someone who considers himself a feminist, the only thing I think feminists must believe in is equality for men and women. Unfortunately, there are too many female supremacists masquerading as feminists, and I am not on their side. By the way, I'm a white guy, and no, I do not believe in marginalization of the demographic I'm a part of. That said, the "feminists" the OP is offended by are only one type of "feminist", and have gone well beyond what feminism was ever meant to be IMHO.

Yes, it was founded on pushing back against male dominance, but it's one of the most common examples that conflict theory is applied to, which is a social science theory centered around the power relations between two groups where one is perceived to dominate the other. Personally, like with all forms of activism, such as race activism, I think feminism is a tool that should be used to address all forms of inequality and then promptly discarded. It's debatable, but I do think there are still minor instances of gender inequality in modern Western society.

All that said, there are clearly individuals who push too far and wish to create a society where their group is dominant. I cannot support that, and any "liberal" ideology founded on that idea is false as true liberalism is about equality for all. Throwing guys under the bus or even the more specific demographic of white guys wouldn't be the end of inequality. It would just be the start of a new inequality. However, I prefer to give others the benefit of the doubt. Maybe some people in demographics such as women and racial minorities are still pushing back against inequality against their group, either real or imagined. That doesn't change the fact that some of them are taking things too far, but white guys turning around and doing the same won't solve the issue either; it will just further aggravate it.

I actually choose not to take sides when it comes to identity politics and far too many people on both sides of the political spectrum take it too far, to the point where I think they're all ret*d. Maybe we can find a middle ground where, say, it doesn't matter what you look like on the outside and as long as we get along that's cool?

I think an observer can keep in mind that when a lot of people speak of "rights" in America, they're actually talking about privileges. Oh, all the things I could talk about in regards to privilege, and how I ironically lack them.

So, in my viewpoint, modern feminism advocates for female privilege: welfare benefits, taxpayer funded healthcare, more grants and scholarships and lower academic requirements for women to get into STEM fields, etc. Basically advocating for a form of affirmative action, but for women regardless of melanin.

I do know that there are people for women's rights that actively seek to encourage the rights of women in countries such as Afghanistan, where women lack human rights.

In short, I see two kinds of feminists: one I would call a feminist (the modern movement), and the other I would call a human rights advocate.

I don't think the real message is so much throwing white guys under the bus as it is ending the system of control that disproportionately favors white males over other demographics. I think the ideal that feminists seek out is to be able to see women be able to enjoy the same privileges as white males, and that this ideal often overlaps with a desire to see other disenfranchised peoples be able to enjoy those same privileges as well.

I'm a mixed guy, 'Eurasian.'
Let me say this: I grew up with a single mother, and I had an abusive dad. Her family is poor, she's poor, she's still poor, I'm poor with her. There are very few scholarships and grants out there for me, and of which are hard to obtain (4.0 GPA to get a small $500 grant, for example); meanwhile, women and people with melanin, have lower academic requirements (esp. those with affirmative action), get absurdly large grants and scholarships (such as a cyber security scholarship that requires a 2.5 GPA but gives $20,000/year to women -- the same scholarship program for men, too, but white + asian men are required to have 4.0 and get $500), they win divorce cases very often, men are to be courteous and servile to them in public, women can often hit men freely (not to be confused with beating someone to a pulp) while men cannot hit women without severe charges (regardless of strength), women can get away with speeding tickets by crying while cops laugh at men that cry, they get maternity leave (though I know some feminists advocate for male maternity leave), and they don't get shot by cops or become victims of crimes in general as much as men do. Also, men have a lot more social pressure in regards to the workplace and expectations. In addition, men work the dirty jobs while women tend to work in more comfortable environments, with the exception being some social workers (like my mom). There are a lot of privileges that women have that men don't, and certain feminist groups are pressing for even more.

I don't hate women -- I've grown up around women. It's just the reality and mainstream rhetoric, especially in college (one can note that I made college-specific references).

Now, if one wants to see what a lack-of privilege, or human rights looks like, investigate Afghanistan or even parts of India (there's a lot of popular practices that dehumanize women there, and people overlook India all the time).

Honestly, I am frustrated that people can't count their blessings and recognize the rights that we all share as humans. I haven't ranted about privileges like this before, since I'm always counting my blessings and grateful to even be able to go to college and have these opportunities that people in the third world lack -- these are blessings that we all share here in America.

It is ok to say right wingers generally favor less government and equal opportunity with no affirmative action. It is not ok to say as the SJW's mostly do that all right wingers are racists or all men are natural born rapists.


Many on the left have a blind spot when it comes to the misogyny rampant in a lot of the Islamic world. I suspect it is because it is an inconvenient truth to those support of the Boycott and Divestment of Israel movement.