Opinions on abortion?

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I was asking the person to elaborate on his response, when someone who had already quite obviously and rudely stated his beleifs replied.

First, thats doubtful, second, I would still disagree with abortion.

As I said, if the person is a rape victim I beleive its their choice.
Also, I find it hard to beleive how anyone would have absolutely no feelings toward said child when it is a part of them.

And that's your choice, which is what being pro-choice is about. You're against abortion. Great! Live your beliefs - don't get one, and if you can't be sure your birth control choice is 100% effective, stay celibate or choose sexual activities that can't result in pregnancy.

Is adoption an option for an unwanted pregnancy? You bet. Guess what? Pregnancy, prenatal care, and labor and delivery are massively expensive. Also, women die in childbirth, or suffer life-altering long-term complications from it. Why should a woman, who's already facing a hard choice in scary circumstances, give two farts what some unrelated dude's opinion is?

If I'm pregnant, the only man whose opinion matters to me is the one who helped me get that way - if and only if it was consensual activity with someone who's willing and available to make the same lifelong commitment regarding the results of the pregnancy. Rapists don't get a vote. One-night stands don't get a vote. The guy who thinks abortion is wrong but is going to f*ck back off to his own life and leave me changing diapers and raising a baby alone doesn't get a vote.

A total stranger on the internet? Definitely no vote.

Yes, a part put inside their body against their will, by a disgusting rapist. Why is it hard to imagine that would feel unpleasant, to have something growing inside your body that was put there by someone who violated you?

If a man could make you pregnant by forcing his penis into your rectum, would you feel all warm and fuzzy about there being a baby growing in your ass that you don't want put there painfully by someone you hate? Somehow it's not hard for me to imagine you wouldn't like that very much.

It's possible to be both pro-life and pro-choice. I've met a few people like that. It's a matter of understanding that no one has the right to push their beliefs on anyone else.

Yes, and leaving rape out of it, let's talk about prostate cancer.

It's life! It's growing inside you! How can you not have feelings toward it when it's part of you?

Wait, treatment is going to bankrupt you and you may die as a result?

Now suppose a bunch of women on the internet told you they don't "believe" in surgery to remove a tumor in your prostate? Non-trans women don't have a prostate. Non-trans women don't die from prostate cancer. Do you really care what their "beliefs" are regarding a personal decision that impacts your health in such a profound way?

Agree.

I wouldn't have feelings towards it because, first, it's not a child, and secondly, because I don't want children.

And you don't get to make the argument that abortion is wrong because fetuses are people, except in the case of rape when the fetus somehow magically isn't a "person" anymore. I've always found that line of thinking to be complete bullcrap.

Agreed. As a woman who was told she would never be able to have children, and who has had multiple pregnancies end in miscarriage, I don't think I could ever have chosen to have an abortion myself. My two living children are precious beyond words to me.

And I'm still firmly pro-choice. No woman should be forced to carry a pregnancy she doesn't want or can't afford. A child should be born because it is wanted, not because backward superstitions and ignorant legislators decided the mother's right to bodily integrity can be suspended while she's incubating a fetus.

This is how I feel:
I can't see how that fetus isn't a human being. That said, I hold most of the pro-life movement in contempt because they are the exact same people who care about you before you're born and after you die, but not in between. Pro-lifers will care about that fetus' welfare, but will accuse the child it becomes of being a parasite on society if said child and parents require public assistance.

Appropriate: Rape, incest, danger to the mother, economic difficulties
Inappropriate: "it will no longer be all about *me*", birth control, immaturity

For what it's worth, "pro-life" and "pro-choice" can be misleading.

I hear many "pro-lifers" talk about wanting a baby to be born, but no plan for after birth (though I don't think that's the majority of them).

Likewise, I hear many "pro-choicers" deriding those who want to be parents as "stupid breeders" (again, a minority).

Too many people use those labels, but don't live up to them.

Religious View

In my younger days, I was pro-choice. Now that I'm more religious, I am against abortion. I also feel that anyone who is religious, should not be for abortion. It is clearly stated in the Bible that you shall not kill. People try to get around this by saying when they believe a baby is a real person - whatever helps them sleep at night.

Political View

I do not think abortion should be forced on the people who do not believe in it and this would include taxes. If people want abortions, then it should be paid out of pocket just like any other personal choices (cigarettes or alcohol).

Disclaimer: Tim, I'm not meaning to attack your views at all, just to discuss them from a different viewpoint.

If a woman is shallow enough, or just self-aware and self-obsessed enough, that she would reject a child because sees it as competition for attention ("it will no longer be all about *me*"), I think she's likely to do a horrible job of raising any child she's forced to bear. It's possible becoming a mother will improve her as a person, but it's by no means a guarantee, and I'd be scared of what that hypothetical child would suffer growing up with that kind of mother.

If a woman is responsible enough to use birth control properly, thus demonstrating that she doesn't want children or doesn't feel capable of raising them right now, but her birth control fails and she winds up pregnant - again, that child isn't going to grow up in a loving, secure environment.

If a woman is too immature to make sensible choices regarding sex and birth control, I think by definition she's not mature enough to raise a child.

I hear a lot of people who oppose abortion saying, "Then she shouldn't be having sex!". (I haven't heard you say that, Tim, I'm going off on a tangent now.) I only hear this said about women - but women can't get pregnant alone. If all the men who oppose abortion decided they would abstain from sex, or choose sexual activities that can't result in pregnancy...I suspect there would be a significant impact on the number of women seeking abortion.

"Economic difficulties" can be adopted out and this specifically goes with certain races. Some people have to adopt from other countries because certain races are not available.