Are leftists too harsh towards the average American?

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03 Feb 2018, 11:19 pm

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Worried about Trump-stoked exodus of immigrants, Canada discourages illegal crossings
http://www.latimes.com/local/california ... story.html

Illegal Immigrants Flee To Canadian Border As Trump Cracks Down On Immigration In The U.S.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andyjsemot ... 83b9a3715a

Pablo Rodriguez, a member of the Canadian Parliament of the "Liberal Party" is discouraging South Americans and Hatians from coming to Canada.

We need to get the word out, Canada has free heath care. Come bring your children, bring your extended family. Get your kids signed up for free Canadian schools, apply for welfare programs, get your family on the free health care ....

Who cares if Americans have an ugly image; it would be a boon to the US to "off-load" needy people to Canada.

Isn't more keeping with the American spirit, and with Judeo-Christian values that conservatives always claim to represent, to care for the needy ourselves?

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03 Feb 2018, 11:27 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

Isn't more keeping with the American spirit, and with Judeo-Christian values that conservatives always claim to represent, to care for the needy ourselves?

it is only to those with Judeo-Christian values. the present crop of dominionist hypocrite scolds clearly does not have those particular values. the so-called "prosperity gospel" has taken over large swaths of American xtianity.

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03 Feb 2018, 11:31 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

Isn't more keeping with the American spirit, and with Judeo-Christian values that conservatives always claim to represent, to care for the needy ourselves?

At least those on the right have been inundated by the Prosperity Gospel. Trump's so called Evangelical Council is made up entirely of those charlatans.

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03 Feb 2018, 11:32 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

Isn't more keeping with the American spirit, and with Judeo-Christian values that conservatives always claim to represent, to care for the needy ourselves?

Yeah, it's embodied in ...

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03 Feb 2018, 11:41 pm

only thing is, those sanctimonious scolds aren't teaching anybody to fish, they never have taught anybody to fish, and if you were to corner them in private and ask those psalm-singing hypocrites why they haven't practiced what they preached, they'd deny it to your face.

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03 Feb 2018, 11:42 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Isn't more keeping with the American spirit, and with Judeo-Christian values that conservatives always claim to represent, to care for the needy ourselves?

Yeah, it's embodied in ...

1) All well and good, but you said you didn't want to do even that. Rather, you want to send the needy to Canada.

2) That was actually a Chinese proverb, not something from the Bible, even though plenty of Christian conservatives don't seem to realize that.

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03 Feb 2018, 11:43 pm

I say to those 2-faced people, "man, you're just some kinda sinners!"

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04 Feb 2018, 1:51 am

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I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, but please do NOT encourage this. Canadian citizens pay for health care through our income tax, so you are essentially stealing our healthcare and leeching off us. I'm sorry the election didn't go how you wanted it to, but Americans do not have a right to our health care.

Don't be so heartless. Maybe some people need Canada's healthcare to live.

Its not heartless. Do you let strangers sleep in your bed, eat your food, and wear your clothes? I'm guessing no. If they need our healthcare, they can apply for citizenship.

They not even talking about Americans FYI, they talking about illegal immigrants from Mexico and South America. Hence why they afraid to be deported, so they trying to flee to Canada and do the same thing they did here. Odd to see a Canadian against illegal immigration seems most were for it atleast when it comes to illegal immigrants in the USA.

Many of the rich celebrities support illegal immigration but won’t let them stay at their many mansions, and won’t us their millions or billions fees, shelter and provide healthcare. How many people could each of these celebrities provide for? How many people could bill gats with his billions provide for? He spent 500 million on vacation yacht rental.the yacht being worth billions. How many people would thst feed? No no rich won’t scarifice anything but demand average Americans do for the celebrities ideas and opinions.

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04 Feb 2018, 1:53 am

auntblabby wrote:

I say to those 2-faced people, "man, you're just some kinda sinners!"

Lots of wealthy liberals are two face hypocrites.

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04 Feb 2018, 9:59 am

LoveNotHate wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Isn't more keeping with the American spirit, and with Judeo-Christian values that conservatives always claim to represent, to care for the needy ourselves?

Yeah, it's embodied in ...

You, as usual, are being shockingly condescending and clueless.

Do you know how expensive healthcare in America is? Some Americans work hard 5 days a week and still barely make enough for their bare necessities. This is especially hard for disabled people. Some Americans can't even afford their prescription medication.

Additionally, we are still in an economic slump caused by a lack of regulations. Some people can't even find a job.

If you think that it's so easy to work harder and find a job, perhaps you should just work harder and pay more in taxes.

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04 Feb 2018, 10:07 am

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Some of the public schools in the United States get barely any funding. Teach a man to fish eh?

In some countries, post-secondary education is free. Not in America! Teach a man to fish eh?

Are we teaching anyone anything by giving corporations control of the internet?

Conservatives aren't trying to "teach a man to fish". They aren't trying to teach anyone anything. They are trying to hide the world's knowledge and replace it with one-sided "patriotic" propaganda.

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04 Feb 2018, 10:14 am

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Odd to see a Canadian against illegal immigration seems most were for it atleast when it comes to illegal immigrants in the USA.

No. It isn't odd. This sort of s**t exists in every county.

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04 Feb 2018, 3:05 pm

I honestly don't know why "fiscal conservatism" is still a thing. Look at what it has done to Tanzania!

President John Magufuli claims to be a social democrat, but, in practice, he is a neoliberal hyper-capitalist.

This is what happens when the government does not provide education, healthcare or a proper sewage system. The free market does not solve all of these problems. Instead, businesses pay the poor just enough money for their bare necessities and they cannot afford education, healthcare, plumbing or electricity.

I totally understand why some people are skeptical of a world without any economic classes, but the "fiscal conservatism" of Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman and Murray Rothbard has been debunked. It has failed in an country it has been tried. The debate is over.

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04 Feb 2018, 3:16 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

No. It isn't odd. This sort of s**t exists in every county.

It's a shame we can't harness your youthful passion to the energy grid... :mrgreen:

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04 Feb 2018, 9:12 pm

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LoveNotHate wrote:

Isn't more keeping with the American spirit, and with Judeo-Christian values that conservatives always claim to represent, to care for the needy ourselves?

Christianity ain't what it used to be. It's been taken over by other interests. I think if Jesus Christ walked into a modern church he might start tipping tables over.

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04 Feb 2018, 9:15 pm

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Christianity ain't what it used to be. I think if Jesus Christ walked into a modern church he might start tipping tables over.

the typical fundie or prosperity gospel church would re-crucify him straightaway.

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