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That's nice.

I'm never going to carry a rapist's child to term.

Yes, taking advantage of the fact that the government robs other people of their hard-earned money to treat you, as opposed to letting them freely decide if they give enough of a crap about your health to support your medical expenses via private charity. The former is slavery; the latter is liberty. Europe doesn't exactly stand out for the latter.

You said yourself why it makes no sense for health care at the expense of others to be a right:




So potential patients who don't like that doctor for whatever reason, or for no reason at all, will try to live somewhere without people like them if they're rational, or make sure they're ready to travel somewhere else. This will be easier if people are free to set up private communities with whatever admission criteria they want, which may include having the right ethnic background or not suffering from any disability. Again, liberty.

No, I did not. Quit putting words in my mouth! All I said was that switching off a life support machine doesn't count as murder.

Considering only the raw monetary figure of providing subsidised healthcare, without looking at the economic cost of not providing it*, is intellectually dishonest.

* https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-ba ... ancer.html

http://oecdobserver.org/news/archivesto ... ship_.html

Each life matters to whoever decides to care about it, no more and no less. Noöne has any business telling others whose lives to give a s**t about.



You can't force people to accept those they don't want to accept. Trying to do so will only make them hate both them and you, and act accordingly. And especially you can't force parents to love unwanted children. If they want to ruin the children's lives, they will. The more you piss them off, the more the children will suffer.



That'll make them heroes of liberty. Noöne is entitled to be supported by others against their will.



Letting someone who can't survive by their own means die is not killing; it's a basic exercise in liberty. Unwanted unborn babies are unwanted dependent human beings. Those they depend on should have every right to get rid of them, like the parasites they are.



Countries---I guess you mean their governments---have no business bragging, but parents should indeed be proud to refuse to rear children with any defect they haven't expressly decided to tolerate, in the face of so many people trying to force them to. It's an act of heroism for liberty.

Yes, you did provide the reason why it makes no sense for health care to be a right. I didn't put any words in your mouth; you don't get to forbid me to explore the logical consequences of what you said, whether you like them or not. Refusing to be robbed with the excuse of providing health care to others isn't a crime, either; it's a valiant stand for liberty. If they can't survive without the help others want to force you to give them, it's their own damn problem, not yours. Tough s**t.



What is intellectually dishonest here is, firstly, to suggest you have any business telling others which costs they should be forced to incur, and, secondly, to imply there's any inherent cost of not being robbed to pay someone else's medical expenses. If there's any cost, it's because---surprise, surprise---someone robs you with some other excuse, or with no excuse at all.

I think it needs to be required for secondary high schools or other institutions to educate future would-be parents on proper love and rearing of a child, whether blind, Downs, Autism...

That would also seek into accepting differences in general.

The for profit, capitalist system we have currently discourages healthy individuals. Eventually it'll get to a point where corporations have such a stronghold... that I do believe they will murder those that they deem undesirable. On the brightside... vaccines given to everyone, treats everybody equally.. so everybody will be in the same boat. It's population control.

Spiderpig:

"Switching a life machine off isn't murder" really does NOT result with the logical consequence of "people with Hepatitis B and chronic schizophrenia should be left untreated".

There is an inherent cost to the economy ("the economy" means that you personally are poorer) of not treating sick people: they can't work, and will need family (who then also can't work) to care for them. It's actually cheaper to just provide the care.

You keep talking about how wonderfully free everyone is without universal healthcare. Maybe you should leave the United States for a while and try living in an economically prosperous country like Germany or Switzerland: you'll realise that we don't feel less free because there aren't untreated cancer patients walking the streets.

Okay, I must have missed those facts. In that case, he should be allowed to peacefully pass away.

I did not know that. I thought ID was synonymous with Downs. Although I have known some pretty smart ID people. Thanks for the info.

In the “mosaic” form of Down’s, it’s more likely that a person so affected will end up with “normal” intelligence.

Isn't that because only some of their cells have Down's, while the others have the typical chromosome count?

Yep. That's true.

Downs people are awesome. They are they happiest people, very cool, are a joy to the people around them. They are very employable as well. It’s too bad some cultures don’t think so, but I can’t really judge Scandinavians too harshly. I am Danish and Swedish. Those people are cold.

I would have been weeded out if we were weeding out defective genes. My dads girlfriend before he died told me that she hooked up with him and had his baby (my little sister) because she thought he had good genes. “Jokes on you,” I told her. Lol!

Um, yes. Autistic people are threatened by policies like this. And people of color. Women. People with physical disabilities or genetic conditions like me. It’s a big deal.

I don’t think it should be an option to prenatally test for non lethal conditions. I mean, if your baby is going to die at three, you should know. But with Downs, come on.

How are you, Soc of Autism?

I do remember your name this time! LOL

No, neither women nor people of colour are at risk just because Down's foetuses are being aborted and because Alfie Evans was allowed to die a natural death. Women make up 50% of the world's population and most of them support abortion rights. Since men never have to undergo pregnancy, it's fair to trust women's judgment on this issue and quit trying to tell them that they're "threatened" if they get to choose when to have abortions. Furthermore, people of colour aren't going to abort their own babies because they know they won't be white.