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15 Jun 2018, 8:07 pm

I'm a Lutheran, so I don't believe in any of that Millennialism or rapture crap anyhow.

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15 Jun 2018, 8:19 pm

I think all of it's awful crap.

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15 Jun 2018, 9:19 pm

Christ himself said that no one can know the day of his return, so these people looking out for "signs and wonders" and predicting the end times are blowing off Scripture.

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15 Jun 2018, 10:13 pm

glebel1 wrote:

Christ himself said that no one can know the day of his return, so these people looking out for "signs and wonders" and predicting the end times are blowing off Scripture.

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16 Jun 2018, 4:59 am

glebel1 wrote:

Christ himself said that no one can know the day of his return, so these people looking out for "signs and wonders" and predicting the end times are blowing off Scripture.

Yes. As Ezra pointed out above, Christ said in the book of Matthew, that the final day and hour are known only by "my father", and that the angels, and that even he, the son, doesn't know.

So the original poster (like Harold Camping, and like the Millerites of 19th Century New England, and like all of the other Doomesdayers of the last 2000 years), is claiming to know something that scripture says that even Christ himself doesn't know!

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16 Jun 2018, 9:48 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

I'm a Lutheran, so I don't believe in any of that Millennialism or rapture crap anyhow.

I didn't know that was a part of Lutheran doctrine. So the belief that prophecies in Matthew 24, Revelation and the like, have already taken place, namely around 70 ad?

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17 Jun 2018, 1:27 am

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

I'm a Lutheran, so I don't believe in any of that Millennialism or rapture crap anyhow.

I didn't know that was a part of Lutheran doctrine. So the belief that prophecies in Matthew 24, Revelation and the like, have already taken place, namely around 70 ad?

We believe most of Revelations is a history of the 1st century church suffering persecution, as well as events leading up to it, told in the Apocalyptic style of Persia to avoid accusations of treason. That's not to say that we don't expect Christ's return, because we do.
Our views are actually common among non-evangelical, mainline Christian denominations.

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17 Jun 2018, 1:48 am

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This alleged "prophesy"

Before you become too accustomed to your lengthy hate posts, first learn to spell.

Prophesy is the verb form; prophecy is the noun form.

Had you given the matter proper attention you would not be steeped so in such error.

The interpretation is for the numbers already given in the prophecy, and here again, had you read the material at hand, you would have known that.

"Out of the abundance of the heart does the mouth speak." - the cleansing of Daniel 8:14 is something of which you stand in need, too.

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17 Jun 2018, 2:10 am

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But of that day and hour - Matthew 24:36

All of those things are addressed at the link provided.

The mission of the "Twelve" was great, and Jesus instructed them in that regard.

Successfully preaching the Gospel unto the nations, and now the time of the Gentiles (nations) is at time of fulfillment.

But as the Gospel song expresses, "that was then, this is now".

Paul Godfrey's "Daniel Unsealed - World History's Response to Biblical Prophecy" is excellent for showing this : here is a link to some further description and the link to the video :

http://risen-from-the-dead.forumotion.c ... -john-1613

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17 Jun 2018, 6:15 am

Edward_Palamar wrote:

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But of that day and hour - Matthew 24:36

I see that entire forum pretty much consists only of you as the admin (unless the few others there are you also).

1. So what did Jesus mean wen he said, “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."?

2. Is there anyone with established credibility as a bible scholar or theologian et al who agrees with your conclusion?

How you choose to answer or evade answering questions 1 and 2, will establish your credibility or lack thereof.

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17 Jun 2018, 6:19 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

I'm a Lutheran, so I don't believe in any of that Millennialism or rapture crap anyhow.

I didn't know that was a part of Lutheran doctrine. So the belief that prophecies in Matthew 24, Revelation and the like, have already taken place, namely around 70 ad?

Is that what's known as preterism?

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EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

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Kraichgauer wrote:

I'm a Lutheran, so I don't believe in any of that Millennialism or rapture crap anyhow.

I didn't know that was a part of Lutheran doctrine. So the belief that prophecies in Matthew 24, Revelation and the like, have already taken place, namely around 70 ad?

Is that what's known as preterism?

Yes. Also Amillennialism.

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17 Jun 2018, 10:00 am

As interesting as I think it is to find "codes" or "secrets" in the Bible, I don't think it's actually possible to decipher an exact date for anything. Supernatural beings like to give predictions using codes and riddles; whether it is meant to intentionally throw us off, or whether they have a completely different concept of time, we can't know. Why would God use the rotation of one of His planets to keep track of time?

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19 Jun 2018, 8:43 pm

Edward_Palamar wrote:

EzraS wrote:

But of that day and hour - Matthew 24:36

Why don't you just summarize it for us?

So Matthew 24:36 is wrong? We can ignore it? And we can know what even "the Son" (Christ) can't know?

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