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02 Jul 2018, 10:24 am

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It is a disgrace to see so little support to me from the autistic community.

If I did not know better, I'd believe the vast majority here are not autistics at all, since I'm accused of being a fascist because I dislike a cure for autism...


We think you're a fascist because of your constant demands to outright ban anything you disagree with.

If I want a cure for my autism, I should have that right. Who are you to attempt to limit my medical treatment?


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02 Jul 2018, 10:35 am

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Disableism?


Rather our society is very much discriminating against disabled.

I want neither. But frankly speaking, after so many years of anti-autistic hatred, I really do want revenge!

We don't care about some angsty revenge stuff. On the other hand have you thought about the autistic people who want to lessen and alleviate their symptoms?
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It is a disgrace to see so little support to me from the autistic community.

If I did not know better, I'd believe the vast majority here are not autistics at all, since I'm accused of being a fascist because I dislike a cure for autism...

Have you thought that maybe your thread is the real disgrace?
And here we go with some no true Scotsman fallacy combined with a straw man. None calls you a fascist because you would dislike a cure for autism, but rather because you want to ban the research on it.



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02 Jul 2018, 12:28 pm

Peacesells wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
Disableism?


Rather our society is very much discriminating against disabled.

I want neither. But frankly speaking, after so many years of anti-autistic hatred, I really do want revenge!

We don't care about some angsty revenge stuff. On the other hand have you thought about the autistic people who want to lessen and alleviate their symptoms?
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It is a disgrace to see so little support to me from the autistic community.

If I did not know better, I'd believe the vast majority here are not autistics at all, since I'm accused of being a fascist because I dislike a cure for autism...

Have you thought that maybe your thread is the real disgrace?
And here we go with some no true Scotsman fallacy combined with a straw man. None calls you a fascist because you would dislike a cure for autism, but rather because you want to ban the research on it.


1. Autistics can have a much better life if the rest of society would just RESPECT us and ACCEPT us for WHO WE ARE as INDIVIDUALS!

But society refuse. NT-society wants to make us like them. They don't care about pluralism/diversity! They HATE autistics! That is why I am angry at NT-society! Because a lot of NT's (not all of them though) hate autistics!

2. There is much MUCH more to fascism than no research. Besides, fascist countries did/do a lot of research in various stuff. Look at North Korea, Iran etc. They are fascists, and they do a lot of research. So do China. I don't want to live in a Fascist state, and I don't like being called a Fascist just because I want basic human rights and a protection of my own dignity!
GET IT?

_I_AM_NOT_A_FASCIST!
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- I'm the opposite!



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02 Jul 2018, 12:46 pm

thinkinginpictures wrote:
It is a disgrace to see so little support to me from the autistic community.
First of all, you are not the only person with a crackpot opinion on this website. Second, the only 'disgrace' lies in expecting everyone else to support you when you have done nothing to support them first.
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If I did not know better, I'd believe the vast majority here are not autistics at all, since I'm accused of being a fascist because I dislike a cure for autism...
Third, posting a sweeping attack against people who don't agree with you is a sure way to NOT get them to support you. Finally, it is a characteristic of Fascist mind-sets to ban everything they don't like.

Now, if you want people to play with you on your terms, then you first need to play nice!



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02 Jul 2018, 12:51 pm

Fnord wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
It is a disgrace to see so little support to me from the autistic community.
First of all, you are not the only person with a crackpot opinion on this website. Second, the only 'disgrace' lies in expecting everyone else to support you when you have done nothing to support them first.
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If I did not know better, I'd believe the vast majority here are not autistics at all, since I'm accused of being a fascist because I dislike a cure for autism...
Third, posting a sweeping attack against people who don't agree with you is a sure way to NOT get them to support you. Finally, it is a characteristic of Fascist mind-sets to ban everything they don't like.

Now, if you want people to play with you on your terms, then you first need to play nice!


I'm not going to play nice, as long as you insist I am a fascist, while I am definetly NOT!

Besides, banning a lot of stuff in society does not neccessarily equal fascism. What about Germany? Sweden? Denmark? They have a lot of laws & bans. Are they fascists?



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02 Jul 2018, 12:58 pm

thinkinginpictures wrote:
1. Autistics can have a much better life if the rest of society would just RESPECT us and ACCEPT us for WHO WE ARE as INDIVIDUALS!
If you want respect and acceptance, then you need to be the first to show respect and acceptance of others; such as accepting that research for a cure for autism will go on, with or without your approval, and showing respect for those whose opinions differ from your whether you not you respect their opinions.
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But society refuse. NT-society wants to make us like them. They don't care about pluralism/diversity! They HATE autistics!
Evidence, please? Sweeping Generalizations like yours are both fallacious and uncalled-for.
thinkinginpictures wrote:
That is why I am angry at NT-society! Because a lot of NT's (not all of them though) hate autistics!
So you hate all NTs because of what you believe some NTs feel about you. Sad.
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2. There is much MUCH more to fascism than no research. Besides, fascist countries did/do a lot of research in various stuff. Look at North Korea, Iran etc. They are fascists, and they do a lot of research. So do China. I don't want to live in a Fascist state...
Yet you want to ban all research into autism. More sad.
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...and I don't like being called a Fascist just because I want basic human rights...
For yourself only, and not for researchers or anyone who disagrees with you. Even more sad.
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...and a protection of my own dignity!
... at the expense of the dignity of others.
thinkinginpictures wrote:
GET IT?
Yeah, we get it ... we got it from the first post in this thread.
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_I_AM_NOT_A_FASCIST! I'm the opposite!
So you say ... :roll:



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02 Jul 2018, 1:00 pm

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I want basic human rights


You just don't want to extend that to other people. What was that about not being a fascist?


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02 Jul 2018, 1:03 pm

thinkinginpictures wrote:
... banning a lot of stuff in society does not neccessarily equal fascism. What about Germany? Sweden? Denmark? They have a lot of laws & bans. Are they fascists?
Anything that bans free speech, free thought, and free inquiry is Fascist, by nature.

By the way, pointing fingers at others as a means of diverting attention away from yourself isn't going to work. If you have problems with Germany, Sweden, and Denmark, then take it up with them in another venue -- those polities are not members here.



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02 Jul 2018, 1:12 pm

Fnord wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
1. Autistics can have a much better life if the rest of society would just RESPECT us and ACCEPT us for WHO WE ARE as INDIVIDUALS!
If you want respect and acceptance, then you need to be the first to show respect and acceptance of others; such as accepting that research for a cure for autism will go on, with or without your approval, and showing respect for those whose opinions differ from your whether you not you respect their opinions.


This will only happen when - if ever - other people do the same to me.
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thinkinginpictures wrote:
But society refuse. NT-society wants to make us like them. They don't care about pluralism/diversity! They HATE autistics!
Evidence, please? Sweeping Generalizations like yours are both fallacious and uncalled-for.


The entire curebie-thing is enough evidence. All those who wants a cure for autism is evidence that NT society hates autistics!
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thinkinginpictures wrote:
That is why I am angry at NT-society! Because a lot of NT's (not all of them though) hate autistics!
So you hate all NTs because of what you believe some NTs feel about you. Sad.


What the f* is wrong with you? I explicity stated _NOT ALL OF THEM THOUGH_ (I've highlighted that part in my comment). I hate NT-SOCIETY (the society made by the NT's) - not all the NT's themselves!

If we're going to discuss please refrain from any further wrong accusations against me!
Or I will report your post!
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thinkinginpictures wrote:
2. There is much MUCH more to fascism than no research. Besides, fascist countries did/do a lot of research in various stuff. Look at North Korea, Iran etc. They are fascists, and they do a lot of research. So do China. I don't want to live in a Fascist state...


Yet you want to ban all research into autism. More sad.


That's just my opinion. Live with it.

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thinkinginpictures wrote:
...and I don't like being called a Fascist just because I want basic human rights...
For yourself only, and not for researchers or anyone who disagrees with you. Even more sad.


Wrong again. I want basic human rights for everyone, and a ban on research is not against basic human rights. Basic human rights include the right not to be discriminated against, not to be jailed or punished without a fair trial etc. etc.

It has nothing to do with research.
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thinkinginpictures wrote:
...and a protection of my own dignity!
... at the expense of the dignity of others.


No. Wrong yet again.



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02 Jul 2018, 1:17 pm

Fnord wrote:
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... banning a lot of stuff in society does not neccessarily equal fascism. What about Germany? Sweden? Denmark? They have a lot of laws & bans. Are they fascists?
Anything that bans free speech, free thought, and free inquiry is Fascist, by nature.

By the way, pointing fingers at others as a means of diverting attention away from yourself isn't going to work. If you have problems with Germany, Sweden, and Denmark, then take it up with them in another venue -- those polities are not members here.


I'm not diverting anything. Fact of the matter is, you claim bans on free speech is fascist by nature. I say, then Denmark, Sweden, Germany etc. etc. are fascists by nature too. Keep to your own definitions, please, and argue why ie. Sweden is a fascist nation.

Btw. you clearly did not understand what fascism is. Here is an article for starters. Try this:
https://www.livescience.com/57622-fascism.html
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Robert Paxton, a professor emeritus of social science at Columbia University in New York who is widely considered the father of fascism studies, defined fascism as "a form of political practice distinctive to the 20th century that arouses popular enthusiasm by sophisticated propaganda techniques for an anti-liberal, anti-socialist, violently exclusionary, expansionist nationalist agenda."



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02 Jul 2018, 1:19 pm

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...If we're going to discuss please refrain from any further wrong accusations against me!
Or I will report your post!
Go ahead. If you'll look closely, you will see that at least one moderator of this website agrees with the assessment of your socio-political leanings.



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02 Jul 2018, 1:25 pm

Fnord wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
...If we're going to discuss please refrain from any further wrong accusations against me!
Or I will report your post!
Go ahead. If you'll look closely, you will see that at least one moderator of this website agrees with the assessment of your socio-political leanings.


The moderator is wrong then. I'm not a fascist, by the very definition of what Fascism means:

You clearly do not understand what fascism is. Here is an article about fascism:
https://www.livescience.com/57622-fascism.html

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The primacy of the group. Supporting the group feels more important than maintaining either individual or universal rights.
Believing that one's group is a victim. This justifies any behavior against the group's enemies.
The belief that individualism and liberalism enable dangerous decadence and have a negative effect on the group.
A strong sense of community or brotherhood. This brotherhood's "unity and purity are forged by common conviction, if possible, or by exclusionary violence if necessary."
Individual self-esteem is tied up in the grandeur of the group. Paxton called this an "enhanced sense of identity and belonging."
Extreme support of a "natural" leader, who is always male. This results in one man taking on the role of national savior.
"The beauty of violence and of will, when they are devoted to the group's success in a Darwinian struggle," Paxton wrote. The idea of a naturally superior group or, especially in Hitler's case, biological racism, fits into a fascist interpretation of Darwinism.



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02 Jul 2018, 1:30 pm

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You clearly do not understand what fascism is.
Oh, I have a very clear knowledge of what Fascism is all about. Your one reference is clearly tailored to your mindset (or vice-versa ... ?).



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02 Jul 2018, 1:34 pm

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You clearly do not understand what fascism is.
Oh, I have a very clear knowledge of what Fascism is all about. Your one reference is clearly tailored to your mindset (or vice-versa ... ?).


No it is not. Fascists believe in military service (I oppose it). Fascists believe weak people should be killed off. I oppose it. We could go on and on and on.

I'm not a fascist.



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02 Jul 2018, 1:39 pm

So, you think that your not believing in military service makes your desire for totalitarian thought-control any less a fascist idea?


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02 Jul 2018, 1:39 pm

thinkinginpictures wrote:
Fnord wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
You clearly do not understand what fascism is.
Oh, I have a very clear knowledge of what Fascism is all about. Your one reference is clearly tailored to your mindset (or vice-versa ... ?).
No it is not. Fascists believe in military service (I oppose it). Fascists believe weak people should be killed off. I oppose it. We could go on and on and on. I'm not a fascist.
Heh. Right. I think you just want to have the last word.