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21 Aug 2018, 10:16 am

:lol:

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21 Aug 2018, 10:18 am

Fnord wrote:

That's not anti-conformism. Both are examples of conformism

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21 Aug 2018, 10:19 am

I also have had a problem with conformity and with authority (e.g. teachers, etc) all my life.

The group wants to walk en masse in one direction, I automatically want to walk in the opposite direction.
The group likes a certain trend, I automatically resist embracing that trend. I don't consider myself a trend setter, but it's funny how some things I've embraced in my life became popular and trendy.

Punk/"alternative" music. I was bullied and ridiculed for liking it in the early/mid 1980s. Then it became trendy.

Well made wool clothing from the likes of Filson and Pendleton. I've been wearing that kind of clothing in the winter months for almost two decades. Since the recent "lumber-sexual" fad, Filson clothing has become even higher priced, very trendy and their catalogs now are sadly geared more toward hipsters.

I've never had a desire to "run with the pack". Herd mentality. Yuck, blech and....no thank you.

For the most part it's served me well.

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21 Aug 2018, 10:19 am

:lol:

Do you get the point? In your striving against "conformity", you are actually conforming to other non-conformists.

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21 Aug 2018, 10:20 am

thinkinginpictures wrote:

Fnord wrote:

That's not anti-conformism. Both are examples of conformism

EXACTLY the point I am trying to make. Non-conformity is an illusion.

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21 Aug 2018, 10:21 am

Fnord wrote:

Do you get the point? In your striving against "conformity", you are actually conforming to other non-conformists.

You are ignoring my replies/answers to all your examples.

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21 Aug 2018, 10:22 am

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Yes, that's evil. The punks, in this example, are evil.

Ahh ... but they're bagging on the only different person for being a 'conformist', thus demonstrating the inherent hypocrisy of the non-conformist movement!

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21 Aug 2018, 10:23 am

Fnord wrote:

EXACTLY the point I am trying to make. Non-conformity is an illusion.

As I've said (well, three times?) conformity/non-conformity is not about being similar to or different to others.

It has to do with adjusting yourself -for the sake of- others.

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21 Aug 2018, 10:23 am

thinkinginpictures wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Do you get the point? In your striving against "conformity", you are actually conforming to other non-conformists.

You are ignoring my replies/answers to all your examples.

Are you blind? Open your eyes and look again.

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21 Aug 2018, 10:26 am

Fnord wrote:

thinkinginpictures wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Do you get the point? In your striving against "conformity", you are actually conforming to other non-conformists.

You are ignoring my replies/answers to all your examples.

Are you blind? Open your eyes and look again.

Conformity or non-conformity has nothing to do with being similar or different to others.

It has to do with being similar or different to others for the sake of being social in-group.
(or out-group).

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21 Aug 2018, 10:28 am

thinkinginpictures wrote:

... conformity/non-conformity is not about being similar to or different to others. It has to do with adjusting yourself -for the sake of- others.

conformity (n):

1. action in accord with prevailing social standards, attitudes, practices, etc. (e.g., acting the same as others).
2. correspondence in form, nature, or character; agreement, congruity, or accordance. (e.g., looking the same as others).
3. compliance or acquiescence; obedience (e.g., conformity itself.

Note that none of these definitions involves motivation.

You really should get out more.

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21 Aug 2018, 10:29 am

There also is no such thing as an anti-conformist-movement. Total contradiction.

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21 Aug 2018, 10:35 am

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There also is no such thing as an anti-conformist-movement. Total contradiction.

Have you really never heard of the "Doo-Dah Parade"?

Each of these groups is expressing its 'individuality' while the members of each group are conforming to the group.

It's a paradox, to be sure; but a reality nonetheless.

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21 Aug 2018, 10:38 am

Fnord wrote:

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There also is no such thing as an anti-conformist-movement. Total contradiction.

Have you really never heard of the "Doo-Dah Parade"?

Each of these groups is expressing its 'individuality' while the members of each group are conforming to the group.

It's a paradox, to be sure; but a reality nonetheless.

Then it is not individuality. It is not anti-conformism. It is total conformism.

I don't care what they call themselves. North Korea's official name is "Democratic People's Republic of Korea". Well, its neither a people's republic, nor democratic.

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21 Aug 2018, 10:43 am

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I don't care what they call themselves. North Korea's official name is "Democratic People's Republic of Korea". Well, its neither a people's republic, nor democratic.

Oh, I agree with that -- because forced conformity is certainly evil (seen or read "Wrinkle In Time" yet?), while voluntary conformity is not.

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21 Aug 2018, 12:08 pm

Fnord wrote:

thinkinginpictures wrote:

I don't care what they call themselves. North Korea's official name is "Democratic People's Republic of Korea". Well, its neither a people's republic, nor democratic.

Oh, I agree with that -- because forced conformity is certainly evil (seen or read "Wrinkle In Time" yet?), while voluntary conformity is not.

That's another way to describe it.

Finally something we can agree on!

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