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27 Aug 2018, 6:12 pm

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Life is a race. Forget it at your own peril. Let others distract you from it, no matter their authority, at your own peril. Be too weak to resist their pressure to stop competing at your own peril.

I'd agree with that as well.

A really horrifying thing has been watching the uber-coddled generation come up behind me and thinking 'So this is how they make human veal'.


"the race" is natural, that is, habitual. the uber-coddled generation might just have been raised to demand a better use of human energy than trying to excel at that race and step out of it. Not the least because the race had become unsustainable.....

personally, I was raised on Star trek the next generation and the older I get, the more disappointed I get. I thought we were further than that.


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27 Aug 2018, 7:03 pm

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"the race" is natural, that is, habitual. the uber-coddled generation might just have been raised to demand a better use of human energy than trying to excel at that race and step out of it. Not the least because the race had become unsustainable.....

personally, I was raised on Star trek the next generation and the older I get, the more disappointed I get. I thought we were further than that.

I don't glorify the race, in a lot of ways I hate it, but there's no authority who can force anything to happen in a better way. Human beings are avarice and hate soaked animals who range from wanting to excel each other fairly to wanting to see their enemies dead. The thing I've learned the hard way for example is the work world is so cutthroat that you're lucky to get a job where you'll even have the tools you need not to get fired almost right out of the gate. People don't train, you have to figure out who to prostrate yourself to for information, and if they like you just enough they'll keep you on a tight leash. I got out of accounting hoping I could find something where the tools were more standardized rather than bowing to inhouse eccentricity and where knowledge keep-away wasn't the norm, so I got more into programming and found out that yes - to some extent that's true, there's a broader vista to get your knowledge from, but the game largely remains the same you and you make up the difference by running like hell.

I'm hoping some solution might be found to this, just that pseudo-solutions seem to abound and it usually tends to be one group hoping to play one game to get their group in the dominant position and the goal really doesn't seem to be to improve much of anything across the board. A small handful of people maybe really do want to help and are thinking past themselves, I tend to think some in the IDW are a bit like that, and I really hope they can figure out what sorts of boiler plate problems we can chew away with.

With the millenials and later generations though - it seems like the adults, teachers, etc. did everything they possibly could to fail them and leave them unprepared for life. It seems like sadistic cruelty in that regard masquerading as benevolence.


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27 Aug 2018, 7:18 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
With the millenials and later generations though - it seems like the adults, teachers, etc. did everything they possibly could to fail them and leave them unprepared for life. It seems like sadistic cruelty in that regard masquerading as benevolence.


Oh, they could always do worse. My parents took good care to remind me of that when I offended them by begging them for a practical and realistic chance.


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27 Aug 2018, 7:24 pm

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Oh, they could always do worse. My parents took good care to remind me of that when I offended them by begging them for a practical and realistic chance.

With my parents I'd put it this way - I literally don't think they know, and to a large degree I think they've hidden it from themselves in the way that a lot of people do when they see something foul enough in the world that they don't want to recognize it.

I'm more than happy to see parents raise their kids with responsibility and a good moral compass, just that they set that up precariously if they don't instill in their kids just what kind of knock-down-drag-out battle for survival it is.


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28 Aug 2018, 8:55 am

I believe that we are all shrines to God. And I believe that the world will one day be renewed and we will live as deified beings. So we shouldn't worry about the world right now, because it's damaged and incomplete.

I think that in terms of day-to-day life, we need to let go of our expectations. Humans are so intent on trying to fit in and do things the way they "should" be done. I am still like that, always envying my peers because I feel like my life isn't unfolding the way it "should." I'm incredibly lonely all the time.


But in truth, all we can do is appreciate what is. And as Anne of Green Gables said, "I find that I can enjoy anything if I make up my mind that I will."


Ultimately, we are in control of our emotions, but not our circumstance.


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28 Aug 2018, 12:53 pm

That first part reminds me of BOTA's doctrine a bit, mainly that the idea is to build the spiritual interior of the individual through practice - ie. the temple not built with human hands.

The thing that gets harder as you get older is just how wide the gulf of dissonance is, between having enough info to know these things are real and simultaneously seeing just how nasty the world is.


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29 Aug 2018, 2:07 pm

A lot to what I was saying earlier, and I've heard this concern to Eric Weinstein - ie. that life on repetitive skills is evaporating as a potential:


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29 Aug 2018, 9:21 pm

what if these new so-called "skills" are not skills at all but instead are really inborn, non-teachable talents- what then? what if this is a cognitive pulling away on the part of the 1% [aka "the cognitive elites" or Mensa crowd] away from the rest of us? how can you fix something that is hard-wired like this? I've never believed you can teach entrepreneurial functions to those lacking the basic social talent for such. being able to think on one's feet cannot be taught, one either has the inborn neural efficiency, or one doesn't. I for one am glad that i'm not long for this new and increasingly harsh world.



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29 Aug 2018, 9:32 pm

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what if these new so-called "skills" are not skills at all but instead are really inborn, non-teachable talents- what then? what if this is a cognitive pulling away on the part of the 1% [aka "the cognitive elites" or Mensa crowd] away from the rest of us? how can you fix something that is hard-wired like this? I've never believed you can teach entrepreneurial functions to those lacking the basic social talent for such. being able to think on one's feet cannot be taught, one either has the inborn neural efficiency, or one doesn't. I for one am glad that i'm not long for this new and increasingly harsh world.

That's exactly the problem - it's putting likely greater than 90% of humanity in the discard heap.


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29 Aug 2018, 9:39 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
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what if these new so-called "skills" are not skills at all but instead are really inborn, non-teachable talents- what then? what if this is a cognitive pulling away on the part of the 1% [aka "the cognitive elites" or Mensa crowd] away from the rest of us? how can you fix something that is hard-wired like this? I've never believed you can teach entrepreneurial functions to those lacking the basic social talent for such. being able to think on one's feet cannot be taught, one either has the inborn neural efficiency, or one doesn't. I for one am glad that i'm not long for this new and increasingly harsh world.

That's exactly the problem - it's putting likely greater than 90% of humanity in the discard heap.

I think god will have the last laugh. or satan.



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29 Aug 2018, 9:41 pm

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I think god will have the last laugh. or satan.

As far as I can tell It sits on Its thumbs, or at least nothing happens here to change things for better or worse that's not administered by human activity.

If there is something there, which seems much more than likely to me at this point (for completely different reasons) I think we grossly overexaggerated in the west what it can do of its own volition.


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29 Aug 2018, 9:43 pm

putting it in a non-deified way, hubris will kill off the hyperintelligent remnants of civilization here, they will soar too close to the sun and it will terminally bite them. they are always not quite as smart as they need to be to clean up their messes, and their errors will accumulate just like the logjam at the end of an unskilled game of tetris. there likely will be no rescue rocket waiting for us at the end to take us to someplace greater. just my 2 cents worth, not adjusted for inflation.



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29 Aug 2018, 9:48 pm

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putting it in a non-deified way, hubris will kill off the hyperintelligent remnants of civilization here, they will soar too close to the sun and it will terminally bite them. they are always not quite as smart as they need to be to clean up their messes and their errors will accumulate just like the end of an unskilled game of tetris. just my 2 cents worth, not adjusted for inflation.

That would pretty much take out everyone for which they have any hierarchical oversight. It's part of why I really want to see decent people with the aptitude come together and think critically about these things and, not to repeat myself ad nauseum on this one, it's part of why I'm as much a fan of the IDW as I am.


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29 Aug 2018, 9:54 pm

I don't have faith in the existence or potential of a critical mass of decent capable people, people of good will and not strict mercenary types, capable of coalescing into a dominant power block devoted to the welfare of humankind. human nature is not quite up to the task. I can see dystopia from my house. but even Elysium is not immune to an unforeseen disaster. or like some famous person said, civilization may end not with a bang but a whimper.



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29 Aug 2018, 10:05 pm

Whatever it is it's most likely been set in stone since the big bang down to the last detail. Nevertheless we think about these things because they impact us one way or another and there are people who want to share ideas and give them an honest airing and analysis rather than spending that time figuring out how to rape the next ape. Suppose I'd rather entertain my mind with the people who are making the most sense, if I were just paying attention to those making the least I'd be way more of a mess than I need to be.


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29 Aug 2018, 10:15 pm

one may wish to preserve one's sanity by totally ignoring the ape rapers, but one puts oneself at risk of being their next victim unless one pays attention to their doings.