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30 Oct 2018, 3:37 pm

we NEED to hit the reset button on everything.


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30 Oct 2018, 3:57 pm

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The media in the U.S has been nothing more than a propaganda network long before Trump even considered running for president. Holy f*****g s**t! We are living in a truly absurd period in history. f**k satire, reality is more hilarious than the Onion everyday of the week.

I think you're right, but Trump is going to be the spark that blows up this powder keg and it won't be pretty.

It's like that old saying about there being some things in this world that we are better off not knowing about.



Maybe it won't be pretty. But maybe it needs to happen. I don't agree that we should be kept in the dark about certain aspects of our system. It's only after the blinders come off that, perhaps, the people can rise up and change the system. It might not be easy, but I don't want to drift along in total ignorance.


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30 Oct 2018, 4:12 pm

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TW1ZTY wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
The media in the U.S has been nothing more than a propaganda network long before Trump even considered running for president. Holy f*****g s**t! We are living in a truly absurd period in history. f**k satire, reality is more hilarious than the Onion everyday of the week.

I think you're right, but Trump is going to be the spark that blows up this powder keg and it won't be pretty.

It's like that old saying about there being some things in this world that we are better off not knowing about.



Maybe it won't be pretty. But maybe it needs to happen. I don't agree that we should be kept in the dark about certain aspects of our system. It's only after the blinders come off that, perhaps, the people can rise up and change the system. It might not be easy, but I don't want to drift along in total ignorance.


I guess you have a point. I just worry that it could potentially end in bloodshed. People always laugh at me like I'm crazy and stupid when I say this but I think history speaks for itself. Do you agree?



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30 Oct 2018, 4:13 pm

VegetableMan wrote:
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The media in the U.S has been nothing more than a propaganda network long before Trump even considered running for president. Holy f*****g s**t! We are living in a truly absurd period in history. f**k satire, reality is more hilarious than the Onion everyday of the week.

I think you're right, but Trump is going to be the spark that blows up this powder keg and it won't be pretty.

It's like that old saying about there being some things in this world that we are better off not knowing about.



Maybe it won't be pretty. But maybe it needs to happen. I don't agree that we should be kept in the dark about certain aspects of our system. It's only after the blinders come off that, perhaps, the people can rise up and change the system. It might not be easy, but I don't want to drift along in total ignorance.


I'm in total agreement with you on this.

Some here have acknowledged that they believe the media is/has been/is guilty of being a "propaganda network" or whatever term would fit, but seem to be focused more on Trump.

Propaganda - information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.

If the media in the U.S. is not objective and is instead a propaganda machine, then I believe the U.S., a free democratic republic, has an epic crisis. I'm not one who believes that everything the media says is lies. However, if the media willfully lies to the public, that should not be OK. That should be illegal. Willfully lying to the public and portraying the information as truthful should be a grave and punishable offense. I hope others can realize the gravity of how bad that scenario is.



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30 Oct 2018, 4:27 pm

TW1ZTY wrote:
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The media in the U.S has been nothing more than a propaganda network long before Trump even considered running for president. Holy f*****g s**t! We are living in a truly absurd period in history. f**k satire, reality is more hilarious than the Onion everyday of the week.

I think you're right, but Trump is going to be the spark that blows up this powder keg and it won't be pretty.

It's like that old saying about there being some things in this world that we are better off not knowing about.



Maybe it won't be pretty. But maybe it needs to happen. I don't agree that we should be kept in the dark about certain aspects of our system. It's only after the blinders come off that, perhaps, the people can rise up and change the system. It might not be easy, but I don't want to drift along in total ignorance.


I guess you have a point. I just worry that it could potentially end in bloodshed. People always laugh at me like I'm crazy and stupid when I say this but I think history speaks for itself. Do you agree?



You're not crazy or stupid. I worry about a violent revolution also. But I think there's a possibility that we can exact a change peacefully. That's going to require an educated population capable of critical thought who are willing to get involved in the political process and force are elected officials to do what's in the best interest of the people. Perhaps that's a pipe dream, but I don't see another way forward.


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30 Oct 2018, 4:41 pm

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The media in the U.S has been nothing more than a propaganda network long before Trump even considered running for president. Holy f*****g s**t! We are living in a truly absurd period in history. f**k satire, reality is more hilarious than the Onion everyday of the week.

I think you're right, but Trump is going to be the spark that blows up this powder keg and it won't be pretty.

It's like that old saying about there being some things in this world that we are better off not knowing about.



Maybe it won't be pretty. But maybe it needs to happen. I don't agree that we should be kept in the dark about certain aspects of our system. It's only after the blinders come off that, perhaps, the people can rise up and change the system. It might not be easy, but I don't want to drift along in total ignorance.


I'm in total agreement with you on this.

Some here have acknowledged that they believe the media is/has been/is guilty of being a "propaganda network" or whatever term would fit, but seem to be focused more on Trump.

Propaganda - information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.

If the media in the U.S. is not objective and is instead a propaganda machine, then I believe the U.S., a free democratic republic, has an epic crisis. I'm not one who believes that everything the media says is lies. However, if the media willfully lies to the public, that should not be OK. That should be illegal. Willfully lying to the public and portraying the information as truthful should be a grave and punishable offense. I hope others can realize the gravity :evil: of how bad that scenario is.



Not everything the media presents are lies. But they are heavily influenced to keep to a certain script. Rachel Maddow earns something like $30,000 a day as a journalist for MSNBC. That network is owned by GE, a company that has defense contracts with the U.S military. Back in 2003, the network dumped Phil Donahue and Jessie Ventura in the leadup to the Iraq war because they were opposed to the invasion. That's what the media has become. They are influenced by corporate interests and the Military-Industrial Complex.


They lie to us all the time, but are rarely held accountable, sadly. Because if the lies are repeated enough, people will believe them. Just like the lies that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. It turned out there was no evidence that that was true, but the media continued to report that we just had bad intelligence. Declassified documents prove otherwise. But there are still people who believe the lies.


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30 Oct 2018, 4:59 pm

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AspE and Fnord: Both of you have said that the media has "issues" and "problems" respectively. Can you tell me what issues or problems you think the media has?

Trust in the news was threatened when the networks became concerned about profit. They started to cover events in a more sensationalist way to get ratings. Watch the movie "Network". Then cable news started to blur the line between news and opinion. Then Fox news destroyed the line completely. Sometimes news outlets get a story wrong, and print a retraction, but for whomever it serves to undermine facts in general, that becomes an excuse to say it's all fake, which of course it is not. These days hardly anyone invests in quality international journalism. And part of that has to do with our government controlling the story by having reporters imbedded among the military, it's just cheaper and less risky that way. But true journalism is rare.

So, our methods for getting facts are problematic, but without it we would be totally at the mercy of lying politicians and corporations.



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30 Oct 2018, 5:46 pm

It's very simple. And this is a fact.

Trump wants any criticism of him in the press stifled. Does that make for any sort of Democracy (No, I don't mean "democrat!! !!"). I'm not a registered Democrat---never have been.

If he had the power, he would jail people who criticize him in the press. He really believes in that authoritarian stuff. I just don't like the "spirit" that Trump evokes.



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30 Oct 2018, 5:58 pm

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It's very simple. And this is a fact.

Trump wants any criticism of him in the press stifled. Does that make for any sort of Democracy (No, I don't mean "democrat!! ! !"). I'm not a registered Democrat---never have been.

If he had the power, he would jail people who criticize him in the press. He really believes in that authoritarian stuff. I just don't like the "spirit" that Trump evokes.


He really is a dictator wannabe. A megalomaniac plain and simple.



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30 Oct 2018, 6:06 pm

I wouldn't have minded if a Republican like John McCain became President.

I also believe John McCain stood for the Second Amendment.

He was a Republican Conservative type----but at least he befriended those who were opposite in his belief system.



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30 Oct 2018, 6:21 pm

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AspE and Fnord: Both of you have said that the media has "issues" and "problems" respectively. Can you tell me what issues or problems you think the media has?
The same ones Trump has: essentially, an over-reaching sense of self-importance and an open mic.
It started when they changed to 24/7 cycle...
It also started when they (the politicians) started taking corporate donations through super-pacs.

Some of the investors in those super-pacs have investments in the Media, too.

It may not be so much the fault of the Media or the politicians, as it is the fault of Big Money - the multi-millionaires and billionaires who want to put everyone on their payrolls and thus buy their loyalty.

Blame Trump and the Bush family? Blame Obama and the Clinton family?

No, blame the people and families behind the Big Money.

I do t disagree but then I’m not blinded by left bias thinking democrats are moral angels who do nothing wrong.
People here are like “it’s ok if they screw us over as long as their democrats” I can’t stand that I hate both parties but the right isn’t here claiming moral high ground



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30 Oct 2018, 6:24 pm

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The fact that we can't even trust our own news anymore is not a good thing. I hope you people realize that. Even though Trump was right about fake news he has only succeeded in making Americans even more paranoid and driving a bigger wedge between those that support him and those that don't.

Also I absolutely refuse to believe that Trump is a 100% honest man who only cares about his country and doesn't have a hidden agenda of his own. Just because he's very openly rude to people that does not make him a honest person.

He's going to f**k us up big time. It's only a matter of time before it happens.


I don’t think anyone has claime he is. He’s human and he’s from an elite rich family and he’s now a politician.
But the left and media makes up a lot about trump that’s clear lies to push their agenda. They lie about so much they are not trusted anymore by most Americans.

I don’t think he’s can f**k us up any worse then Obama did



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30 Oct 2018, 6:27 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
It's very simple. And this is a fact.

Trump wants any criticism of him in the press stifled. Does that make for any sort of Democracy (No, I don't mean "democrat!! ! !"). I'm not a registered Democrat---never have been.

If he had the power, he would jail people who criticize him in the press. He really believes in that authoritarian stuff. I just don't like the "spirit" that Trump evokes.


Guess you’ve decided to go to the dark side.