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25 Jan 2019, 7:29 am

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So, you assume they're all criminals.

Yes, according to our laws, they are criminals.

That is why our law enforcement deports them.

Gangs, Kidnapping, Drug distribution, bank robbery, fraud, assault, international warrants, ISIS members, sex offenses ....


I'm curious how you can think that this statement is loving and not hateful, Lovenothate. The definition of hate is "feel intense or passionate dislike for (someone)," which you obviously do for people coming from Mexico who can't afford to take the time or pay the money to do it the way that our government demands. The vast majority of them are actually trying to escape the things that you name in your list, not bring them here.

Why would you defend people who harm others, harm communities, bring drugs into our communities, break our laws, disrespect our country?

"Immigration and Customs Enforcement said it arrested about 159,000 foreigners during the 2018 fiscal year that ended Sept. 30, an increase of 11 percent from the previous year".

"About 90 percent of the people arrested had criminal convictions, were facing pending criminal charges or had been previously issued a final deportation order by an immigration judge"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/14/us/p ... -rise.html


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25 Jan 2019, 12:13 pm

If I were a public defender, sure.

I'd rather stick around here & deflect this racist nonsense though. Do you even speak a word of Español?


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25 Jan 2019, 12:15 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
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So, you assume they're all criminals.

Yes, according to our laws, they are criminals.

That is why our law enforcement deports them.

Gangs, Kidnapping, Drug distribution, bank robbery, fraud, assault, international warrants, ISIS members, sex offenses ....


So alleged fraud, assault & sex offenses are a problem for you yet you're OK with Trump WHY!?


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25 Jan 2019, 12:16 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
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LoveNotHate wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
So, you assume they're all criminals.

Yes, according to our laws, they are criminals.

That is why our law enforcement deports them.

Gangs, Kidnapping, Drug distribution, bank robbery, fraud, assault, international warrants, ISIS members, sex offenses ....


I'm curious how you can think that this statement is loving and not hateful, Lovenothate. The definition of hate is "feel intense or passionate dislike for (someone)," which you obviously do for people coming from Mexico who can't afford to take the time or pay the money to do it the way that our government demands. The vast majority of them are actually trying to escape the things that you name in your list, not bring them here.

Why would you defend people who harm others, harm communities, bring drugs into our communities, break our laws, disrespect our country?

"Immigration and Customs Enforcement said it arrested about 159,000 foreigners during the 2018 fiscal year that ended Sept. 30, an increase of 11 percent from the previous year".

"About 90 percent of the people arrested had criminal convictions, were facing pending criminal charges or had been previously issued a final deportation order by an immigration judge"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/14/us/p ... -rise.html


Again with the blanket statements. 90% of 159,000 is 143,000. That's out of the estimated 10.7 MILLION undocumented immigrants that are here (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/us/i ... study.html). That's a tiny fraction of the population. The vast majority of them are here to work, not to commit crimes. Get a dose of reality. Live up to your username, or don't use it at all.



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25 Jan 2019, 12:19 pm

I can't really think of a more hate-based philosophy than one that tars & feathers multiple continents simply because of associating ethnicity with crime.

Is LnH going to tell me now that no crime was ever committed in the name of xenophobic rage?


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25 Jan 2019, 12:21 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
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So, you assume they're all criminals.

Yes, according to our laws, they are criminals.

That is why our law enforcement deports them.

Gangs, Kidnapping, Drug distribution, bank robbery, fraud, assault, international warrants, ISIS members, sex offenses ....


ah just like millions and millions of native born americans then


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25 Jan 2019, 12:24 pm

If this is the norm for a "free country" I'm sort of jealous of deportees.


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25 Jan 2019, 12:55 pm

Zinnia86 wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Zinnia86 wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
So, you assume they're all criminals.

Yes, according to our laws, they are criminals.

That is why our law enforcement deports them.

Gangs, Kidnapping, Drug distribution, bank robbery, fraud, assault, international warrants, ISIS members, sex offenses ....


I'm curious how you can think that this statement is loving and not hateful, Lovenothate. The definition of hate is "feel intense or passionate dislike for (someone)," which you obviously do for people coming from Mexico who can't afford to take the time or pay the money to do it the way that our government demands. The vast majority of them are actually trying to escape the things that you name in your list, not bring them here.

Why would you defend people who harm others, harm communities, bring drugs into our communities, break our laws, disrespect our country?

"Immigration and Customs Enforcement said it arrested about 159,000 foreigners during the 2018 fiscal year that ended Sept. 30, an increase of 11 percent from the previous year".

"About 90 percent of the people arrested had criminal convictions, were facing pending criminal charges or had been previously issued a final deportation order by an immigration judge"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/14/us/p ... -rise.html


Again with the blanket statements. 90% of 159,000 is 143,000. That's out of the estimated 10.7 MILLION undocumented immigrants that are here (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/us/i ... study.html). That's a tiny fraction of the population. The vast majority of them are here to work, not to commit crimes. Get a dose of reality. Live up to your username, or don't use it at all.

As I said in my original post, Trump deports a couple hundred thousand criminal illegal aliens in his first two years.

Everyone agrees that's a positive.

Trump famously said he's targeting the "bad hombres" (people who pose a danger to others).

That's why arrests are only 159,000 and not millions.

That's also why "About 90 percent of the people arrested had criminal convictions, were facing pending criminal charges or had been previously issued a final deportation order by an immigration judge"

These are the "bad hombres".

Your comments like "get dose on reality" and "live up to your username" are both personal attacks.

They reflect poorly on you.

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25 Jan 2019, 12:59 pm

Trump deports them instead of giving them honest work. How very American of him??

What kind of "job creator" ignores potential in the workforce?

Fixating on a single ethnicity as the source of hombres malos reflects poorly on you. Are you saying Trump gets a free pass on many of the same crimes because he's pale?


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25 Jan 2019, 1:03 pm

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And yet I'm still seeing homeless people and people surviving off foodstamps and medicaid (if they qualify) while working their asses off to pay their bills everywhere I look. Yeah he really has fixed our economy. *coughbolognacough* :roll:

I think he's more like Lex Luther than Superman.


No, more like Gen Zod.



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25 Jan 2019, 1:07 pm

envirozentinel wrote:
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It's amazing how much he's accomplished.

Accomplishments:
-Individual and corporate tax cuts!
-Border Security! Beefed up Border Patrol, deportations of a few hundred thousand criminal illegal aliens



So, you assume they're all criminals.

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Current proposals:
-Border Wall







Stupid fool shut down your government for the longest in history because he can't get the funding he wants. Bully tactics.


Anyone who goes into politics is already a criminal.



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25 Jan 2019, 1:14 pm

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Trump deports them instead of giving them honest work. How very American of him??

What kind of "job creator" ignores potential in the workforce?

Fixating on a single ethnicity as the source of hombres malos reflects poorly on you. Are you saying Trump gets a free pass on many of the same crimes because he's pale?

Here is a recent ICE arrest report
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-a ... lic-safety

In Union City, a 52-year-old Mexican national, who has a conviction of promoting prostitution with a child.

You think Trump should find a job for this guy that promotes children into prostitution, rather than deport him?


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25 Jan 2019, 1:16 pm

I think that guy should be in jail, not running amok in his home country. I also think minor drug offenders represent the most under-appreciated able-bodied work force the world has ever seen.

Trump may be in "business" but he does not make ANYTHING. Coercing U.S. companies to manufacture domestic products is not the same thing as actually building something.

I create more jobs than Trump because I actually build modern tools instead of merely pushing blue chips. Why is the GOP supposedly so hard-working when they've lowered their expectations around work ethics so far?


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25 Jan 2019, 1:26 pm

Kiprobalhato wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
So, you assume they're all criminals.

Yes, according to our laws, they are criminals.

That is why our law enforcement deports them.

Gangs, Kidnapping, Drug distribution, bank robbery, fraud, assault, international warrants, ISIS members, sex offenses ....


ah just like millions and millions of native born americans then

We can't deport them, or we probably would.


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25 Jan 2019, 1:32 pm

It's "Give me your tired, your hungry, your poor."

Not "Get off my lawn!"

You got those really mixed up.


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25 Jan 2019, 1:55 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Zinnia86 wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Zinnia86 wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
So, you assume they're all criminals.

Yes, according to our laws, they are criminals.

That is why our law enforcement deports them.

Gangs, Kidnapping, Drug distribution, bank robbery, fraud, assault, international warrants, ISIS members, sex offenses ....


I'm curious how you can think that this statement is loving and not hateful, Lovenothate. The definition of hate is "feel intense or passionate dislike for (someone)," which you obviously do for people coming from Mexico who can't afford to take the time or pay the money to do it the way that our government demands. The vast majority of them are actually trying to escape the things that you name in your list, not bring them here.

Why would you defend people who harm others, harm communities, bring drugs into our communities, break our laws, disrespect our country?

"Immigration and Customs Enforcement said it arrested about 159,000 foreigners during the 2018 fiscal year that ended Sept. 30, an increase of 11 percent from the previous year".

"About 90 percent of the people arrested had criminal convictions, were facing pending criminal charges or had been previously issued a final deportation order by an immigration judge"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/14/us/p ... -rise.html


Again with the blanket statements. 90% of 159,000 is 143,000. That's out of the estimated 10.7 MILLION undocumented immigrants that are here (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/us/i ... study.html). That's a tiny fraction of the population. The vast majority of them are here to work, not to commit crimes. Get a dose of reality. Live up to your username, or don't use it at all.

As I said in my original post, Trump deports a couple hundred thousand criminal illegal aliens in his first two years.

Everyone agrees that's a positive.

Trump famously said he's targeting the "bad hombres" (people who pose a danger to others).

That's why arrests are only 159,000 and not millions.

That's also why "About 90 percent of the people arrested had criminal convictions, were facing pending criminal charges or had been previously issued a final deportation order by an immigration judge"

These are the "bad hombres".

Your comments like "get dose on reality" and "live up to your username" are both personal attacks.

They reflect poorly on you.


Those are not personal attacks, they are commonsense suggestions if you want people to take you seriously. The things that you are saying are not a reflection of reality based on simple statistics. Using that username to advocate for policies that attack a huge group of people based on things that only a tiny percentage of them have done makes me sad, and even sadder that you choose not to recognize it when called out on it.