Vaccines and abortion IMO...

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More than to some degree. If Autism is caused by vaccine injury as they believe then we are mutants and not of the good X-Men kind or some sort of doppelganger. That justifies "recovering" the real cute "normal" kid by any means necessary.y

I've heard one guy on Joe Rogan insist that autism has been proved to be detectable before vaccines are even given. I know they need more research to see if autism is linked to vaccines(adds to), but so far it seems that autism is not a result of vaccines, autism can be detected before vaccines are given. I guess you could also look towards, does the child who has autism detected before vaccines, did the child's parents have vaccines?

Call me a conspiracy nut if you want, I don't like the idea of people enforcing vaccines. It could cause problems either way you go, don't enforce them and disease could wipe millions out, enforce vaccines and government can load you up with stuff to intentionally cause issues thus negatively harming millions.

I can see why some people suggest they are very important but on the other hand I have not had any vaccines and I have not been negatively impacted at all. I don't even get flu shots and it's rare for me to get the flu, when I do it's only a mild problem which contradicts the theory that if you don't get flu shots you will get really sick and possibly die from the flu. When someone like me lives without disease issues and having never had even one vaccine, it shows that people who insist that a person that hasn't had vaccines will more than likely get sick and die or get very sick often is completely false. It's rare for me to even get a fever, anytime I get sick it's a 1 to 3 day thing, I'm 39 years old and have only have very few occasions where I was sick for more than 3 days or had a fever over 100.5 degrees Fahrenheit. I'm talking about under 5 times in my entire adult life. I got chicken pocks when I was a kid 2 times, never again and it wasn't that bad.

I also have never had a tetanus shot and have been cut by rusty objects so many times it's pathetic, never once have a had a negative result like tetanus. Maybe I'm just one of the few with a kick ass immune system?? I also don't take meds when I'm sick, I have been anti-medication for the majority of my life, I see it as exorcise for the immune system and it seems to have paid off.

2, but the rapist to death not the kid, and then give all the rapists assets to the woman, along with fully paid support throughout pregnancy and the option to either adopt out, or be given financial support to raise the child herself.

3, A sooner death is not a better death, a guaranteed death is not better than an almost guaranteed death.

If autistic people truly are vaccine-damaged, then they are diseased. The belief that autism is a disease is a common belief among anti-vaccination activists. Some anti-vaccination activists actually believe that vaccines GIVE one a disease rather than prevent it and claim that nasty things that shouldn't be in a vaccine (e.g. nonliving embryos) are a proper justification for not getting vaccinated. (In fact, the thimerosal that used to be in most vaccines contained a much less harmful form of mercury, and it was in a very small amount anyways.)

What doesn't make sense is that how anti-vaxxers are willing to risk the lives of their children by potentially exposing them to vaccine-preventable diseases yet will blame parents who lose their children to such diseases for murdering their children. That seems hypocritical and that makes their arguments sound lame. It also doesn't make sense because they often peddle snake oil "treatments" that they claim can cure conditions with no known cure such as autism.

Her son died. And then anti-vaxers attacked her

A kid does not instantly develop in that case though, it takes 9 months, why shouldn't they be able to get an abortion ASAP in that case. I just cannot agree with forcing a woman who has been raped to carry the potential off-spring to term, they should be able to choose to if they want but it, it shouldn't be forced and they shouldn't be pressured to.

Yeah, if you ask me forcing a woman to gestate a whole new person who is half herself and half her rapist is really cruel--and also disgusting. No one should have to go through that, and bring a person like that into the world that isn't wanted and was created by a violation and a crime. I mean, try to imagine growing up and finding out that the only reason you exist is because the person who half your DNA came from raped the person that supplied the other 50%. How much would it mess them up to know that their dad is a rapist scumbag? How horrible to make all those people go through that and live with those conditions just because of one man's crime inflicted on them. That's not right.

Just to add to this a little, I have watched things which suggested that people whom posses the rapist mindset carry genes that are associated with that type of behavior, thus them breeding passes on genes which posses the tendency to rape. (not a good thing to force these genes to be even more present than they already are. It may actually be more logical to automatically abort babies that are conceived by rape. I think it would be really great to also make sure that rape victims are aware that if they keep the child it will contain these 'rapist' genes')

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As of right now, a rapist is gone really easy on.
A child coming from it is another victim, it's not their fault that the father was a horrible piece of crap.
Why should a rapist get barely punished, and a child killed because of their father? It's backwards. An abortion wouldn't ease the pain from rape, and both woman and child should have whatever burdens on them eased as much as possible without hurting either.

You're not making a strong case here, to be fair, I don't think women ask to be raped. Thus, forcing the responsibility of raising the child that she did not want to have, may not be able to afford and will very potentially carry the 'rapist genes' would be a bit absurd, wouldn't you think? Imagine the shock a woman experiences from being raped, how do you think she will feel having a kid that was a result of that horrible experience? How much do you think it will affect her life, her courier? You shouldn't think it's ok to force a woman who got raped to remain in poverty to take care of a child that reminds her that she got raped.

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There doesn't have to be a child victim of the rape though if the mother is allowed to abort before it becomes a child. No children are killed during abortion, only clumps of cells. An abortion would definitely ease the pain of rape if one finds out one is pregnant from that rape, it would certainly be a better option than finding out that not only did the rapist get you pregnant but that you have to gestate the rapist's DNA inside you because you're not allowed to get it out of your body before it grows into a person. A pregnancy is not a child. Abortion kills no children. You seem to need to hear that more than once so I stated it a few times, and here's one more: abortion is not child murder, there is no child yet to be murdered.

We were not considered people less than a century ago. I'm not going to be part of ignoring anyone else's humanity.
Neither an embryo nor a fetus even looks like a clump of cells after two weeks (When pregnancy can be detected).

Re read my posts.
Adoption, give all the rapists assess to mother, financial support to the highest extent. I've meant a couple of people who have gotten pregnant from rape who kept their child, and while this isn't the way it would be for everyone, it actually helped these people heal. A "Rapist gene" Idea is annoying to say the least, no one is forced by genetics to rape someone and no one should be punished for something they haven't even done.

That's funny, this site still calls it a "cluster of cells" at 4 weeks: http://www.baby2see.com/development/fir ... ester.html

A fetus is not a person, but a woman is a person and has the right to decide what happens inside her body, including whether she wants to let a clump of cells use her body to grow or not.

Ahem, "Had".
I was talking from implantation not conception which is where I got the two weeks, but anyway,

^this is not a clump of cells.

She should be able to choose, which is part of why rape is so evil, but the kid is not the one responsible for the pregnancy.

Then why did the site describe it that way? Sure looks like a lump of cells to me.

That the fetus isn't responsible for the rape is irrelevant--no woman should be forced to carry the DNA of her rapist to term, the idea is very sick.

I think vaccines should be given. Not only does it give the kid in question protection, it also gives flock immunity, which helps those who can't have a vaccine for health issues. (Sometimes people have conditions that won't allow them to be vaccinated, I likely wouldn't be allowed to get the small pox vaccine should it ever be necessary (yeah, it's seen as wiped out in the wild now, but if it was to come about through an unknown reservoir or bio terror).)


I am entirely pro choice. It is and should always be the woman's choice until the birth.