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15 May 2019, 2:36 pm

I'm in the 'stay together because of love category', work through the challenges together and never take the other person for granted, no need to conform to a predetermined understanding of a relationship ...
Ive done the marriage and the religion bit, no thanks, not to be repeated. Didn't do the submit to husband part, I can't agree with an outside source telling me how to 'do' the relationship correctly. Also the RC church do not have the best track record at interpreting and applying the actual messages in the bible.
The state has too much influence on formal relationships, thankfully here, the Catholic church has lost credibility and at least they have little to no influence on state affairs these days.



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15 May 2019, 4:03 pm

I think there is a difference between saying a traditonal 50s style marriage is not what everyone wants and a traditional 50s style marriage is inherently bad.

Some women just want to live at home, take care of the children, keep the house nice and tidy, and have a loving husband that makes money for them to live that lifestyle. Some men want to not have to deal with anything after a long stressful day at work and come home to a loving wife who has taken care of all the home life. This is a good healthy relationship for some couples. It should not be hated on as a backwards way of living.

For some women the idea of sitting at home all day doing chores is a form of torture. For some men, having to work a high stress job to cover the full financial burden of the family is a nightmare. These people may gravitate towards a relationship where both of them work, and both of them take care of the home. This is a healthy relationship for some couples. Should not be hated on either.


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15 May 2019, 4:24 pm

What about an mentally or physically abusive man been told his wife has to submit to him?



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15 May 2019, 4:33 pm

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What about an mentally or physically abusive man been told his wife has to submit to him?


Again, don't ignore the Biblical point about the man needing to love his wife. He's not to take the submission aspect out of context and think that gives him free reign of coercive control.

As another aside, I have lots of disagreement with twilightprincess. She triggers me as much as I trigger her. I remember that she, like most women, doesn't understand my former lust addiction to handsome men with sexy bodies. She is a typical woman who hates sex and never struggles with lust, a very common woman profile for both Christian and non-Christian women. I'm a much more atypical woman who had to get married not just due to religious convictions, but also in large part because I needed a handsome guy and lots of sex.


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15 May 2019, 4:35 pm

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What about an mentally or physically abusive man been told his wife has to submit to him?


Again, don't ignore the Biblical point about the man needing to love his wife. He's not to take the submission aspect out of context and think that gives him free reign of coercive control.

As another aside, I have lots of disagreement with twilightprincess. She triggers me as much as I trigger her. I remember that she, like most women, doesn't understand my former lust addiction to handsome men with sexy bodies. She is a typical woman who hates sex and never struggles with lust, a very common woman profile for both Christian and non-Christian women. I'm a much more atypical woman who had to get married not just due to religious convictions, but also in large part because I needed a handsome guy and lots of sex.


How do you know that I hate sex and never lust? Both of those statements are untrue. It’s also untrue that most women feel that way.



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15 May 2019, 4:38 pm

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enz wrote:
What about an mentally or physically abusive man been told his wife has to submit to him?


Again, don't ignore the Biblical point about the man needing to love his wife. He's not to take the submission aspect out of context and think that gives him free reign of coercive control.

As another aside, I have lots of disagreement with twilightprincess. She triggers me as much as I trigger her. I remember that she, like most women, doesn't understand my former lust addiction to handsome men with sexy bodies. She is a typical woman who hates sex and never struggles with lust, a very common woman profile for both Christian and non-Christian women. I'm a much more atypical woman who had to get married not just due to religious convictions, but also in large part because I needed a handsome guy and lots of sex.


How do you know that I hate sex and never lust? Both of those statements are untrue. It’s also untrue that most women feel that way.


Excuse me? You patently denied lusting completely here. I remembered it well:

viewtopic.php?t=366957


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15 May 2019, 4:43 pm

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enz wrote:
What about an mentally or physically abusive man been told his wife has to submit to him?


Again, don't ignore the Biblical point about the man needing to love his wife. He's not to take the submission aspect out of context and think that gives him free reign of coercive control.

As another aside, I have lots of disagreement with twilightprincess. She triggers me as much as I trigger her. I remember that she, like most women, doesn't understand my former lust addiction to handsome men with sexy bodies. She is a typical woman who hates sex and never struggles with lust, a very common woman profile for both Christian and non-Christian women. I'm a much more atypical woman who had to get married not just due to religious convictions, but also in large part because I needed a handsome guy and lots of sex.


How do you know that I hate sex and never lust? Both of those statements are untrue. It’s also untrue that most women feel that way.


Excuse me? You patently denied lusting completely here. I remembered it well:

viewtopic.php?t=366957


I still don’t see anywhere where I said that I hate sex. Saying that I get turned on by things like romance and kindness is not saying that I don’t like sex. (Notice the words “turned on”)

I lust in a different way than you do but it doesn’t mean that I don’t lust at all.



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15 May 2019, 4:45 pm

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What about an mentally or physically abusive man been told his wife has to submit to him?


Again, don't ignore the Biblical point about the man needing to love his wife. He's not to take the submission aspect out of context and think that gives him free reign of coercive control.


is obey your husband/love your wife written next to each other in bible?



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15 May 2019, 4:49 pm

@Twilightprincess you lust in the most generic womanly way possible. You don't understand the minority of women who lust like guys do. Yours is a victim experience told a million times to manipulate men into guilt, mine is a story seldom told. You trigger me. I don't relate to you, but you can find a million women who think exactly like you and can start a feminist crusade to bash men with sexual desires. I don't have that luxury.

@enz 22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV


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15 May 2019, 5:07 pm

hmmm should women then not marry a man if they are smarter than him?



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15 May 2019, 5:11 pm

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hmmm should women then not marry a man if they are smarter than him?


Yeah I'd agree with that. I got a lot of flack for marrying an unbeliever in some Christian circles, but the guys criticizing me for it weren't always the most abstract logical of the bunch...


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15 May 2019, 5:15 pm

I have no intention of manipulating men into guilt.

I can’t help the specific experiences I’ve had and am glad that you haven’t experienced what I have. I’m rather surprised that you would attack me for it. I hope that it doesn’t bother your Christian conscience upon reflection.

I’m going to continue to speak out about equality because I believe it’s what all humans deserve - a life that can be lived with dignity and bold and blatant freedom.

It certainly doesn’t mean that I hate men. One man was central in my healing, actually.



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16 May 2019, 2:37 am

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hmmm should women then not marry a man if they are smarter than him?

Yup, guys get easily frustrated in this kind of relationship, even if they initially claim they would accept it.
Learned it the hard way (luckily, before my marriage).

Honestly, I believe when a man genuinely impresses his woman in some way, a chance for a healthy relationship is higher.


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16 May 2019, 2:50 am

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Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

Okay, what if I'm sure my husband's opinion is wrong and would lead to a catastrophic outcome?
Should I submit anyway?
What if my husband's actions were abusive?
Should I not confront him?


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16 May 2019, 4:56 am

magz wrote:
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hmmm should women then not marry a man if they are smarter than him?

Yup, guys get easily frustrated in this kind of relationship, even if they initially claim they would accept it.
Learned it the hard way (luckily, before my marriage).
I had a hard time with it with my 2nd girlfriend because she didn't value my input on things as much as she valued her own opinions. She felt she knew better than me when it came to things that would affect our relationship. I know I'm ret*d but I believe I should have an equal say on things that would affect our relationship or both of us. I wanna feel like my input is valued instead of feeling brushed off. Just cuz I'm ret*d does NOT mean I deserve to have my girlfriend treat me like I am sometimes.
Plus I find things others consider stupid in women funny & cute.


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16 May 2019, 5:02 am

magz wrote:
enz wrote:
hmmm should women then not marry a man if they are smarter than him?

Yup, guys get easily frustrated in this kind of relationship, even if they initially claim they would accept it.
Learned it the hard way (luckily, before my marriage).

Honestly, I believe when a man genuinely impresses his woman in some way, a chance for a healthy relationship is higher.


My husband thinks I'm smarter than him and I think he's smarter than me (unless we're arguing about something; then I think I'm smarter and he thinks he is :lol: ) - this works really well for us because I agree with you magz - I think both men and women should be impressive to each other; that way its more likely that they'll keep impressing each other for the rest of their lives. I do think being relatively matched in intelligence is ideal; for me at least. I personally could not be married to a man who is not intellectually stimulating and challenging.


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