Debunking 'Gender is a social contruct.'

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28 May 2019, 3:05 pm

Fireblossom wrote:

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I think that people should be able to use which ever wash rooms or locker rooms they like. I also think that people of both genders should wear what they want if it's a man wearing a dress or a woman wearing a war helmet as casual wear.

So, if a woman is uncomfortable with sharing a locker room with a swinging dick, she should have no right to object?

People should be able to change in individual stalls if this would make them uncomfortable. I’ve never changed openly in a locker room.

Most locker rooms I've been to haven't had individual stalls, same with shower rooms...

I guess I’ve been lucky. I have changed in bathrooms, but most places I’ve been have had individual stalls.

Probably more of a culture difference than luck; I've heard that many Americans are shocked when they see how open the shower spaces and such are in swimming halls and the like here.

Locker rooms here are all open. There’s no changing stalls.

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28 May 2019, 3:19 pm

sly279 wrote:

Fireblossom wrote:

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Fireblossom wrote:

Twilightprincess wrote:

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So, if a woman is uncomfortable with sharing a locker room with a swinging dick, she should have no right to object?

People should be able to change in individual stalls if this would make them uncomfortable. I’ve never changed openly in a locker room.

Most locker rooms I've been to haven't had individual stalls, same with shower rooms...

I guess I’ve been lucky. I have changed in bathrooms, but most places I’ve been have had individual stalls.

Probably more of a culture difference than luck; I've heard that many Americans are shocked when they see how open the shower spaces and such are in swimming halls and the like here.

Locker rooms here are all open. There’s no changing stalls.

I think I’ve heard that the men’s locker room doesn’t have changing stalls at my local Y but the women’s locker room does. They might give more privacy in the women’s because more women come through with children.

That’s just a guess, though. I think there should be privacy for anyone that wants it.

I got in trouble for changing in the bathroom at school in 5th grade instead of in the locker room. I didn’t care. I thought it was a stupid rule that shouldn’t be followed.

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28 May 2019, 3:40 pm

Well...

We don't need 71 separate restrooms for each of the "71 different genders". That much is clear.

Anyone who says we do is a shill for the plumbing industry!

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28 May 2019, 3:47 pm

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Well...

We don't need 71 separate restrooms for each of the "71 different genders". That much is clear.

Anyone who says we do is a shill for the plumbing industry!

Welcome to Walmart all we have is bathrooms

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28 May 2019, 4:16 pm

Male and female are scientific concepts. Men and woman on the other hand aren't.

While there may be differences between male brains and female brains, the issue with this is that her assertions about gender aren't automatically supported by this premise.

"Manhood" and "Womanhood" are social constructs. There is no consistency in how they are defined. It's all arbitrary. They only exist only insofar as how human beings in their circumstances choose to organize themselves.

Yes, gender is a social construct.

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28 May 2019, 4:51 pm

I don't know. I'm just not a huge fan of this type of forced social engineering. Why create a solution when there isn't really a problem? It's nuts!

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28 May 2019, 4:54 pm

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I don't know. I'm just not a huge fan of this type of forced social engineering. Why create a solution when there isn't really a problem? It's nuts!

It might not be a problem for you since your gender aligns with your biological sex, but it’s a problem for a lot of people.

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28 May 2019, 5:06 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:

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I don't know. I'm just not a huge fan of this type of forced social engineering. Why create a solution when there isn't really a problem? It's nuts!

It might not be a problem for you since your gender aligns with your biological sex, but it’s a problem for a lot of people.

How exactly is it a problem? Is a gender fluid male uncomfortable with urinating or changing in a male facility? What about the woman who is uncomfortable with changing around biological males? Are their issues not to be taken into consideration?

Personally, I don't care one way or the other. I just feel that social changes should not be forced, via social or legislative pressure.

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28 May 2019, 5:09 pm

VegetableMan wrote:

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I don't know. I'm just not a huge fan of this type of forced social engineering. Why create a solution when there isn't really a problem? It's nuts!

It might not be a problem for you since your gender aligns with your biological sex, but it’s a problem for a lot of people.

I wasn’t just referring to the problem of changing rooms.

Society is geared towards people adhering to specific gender norms. It’s hard being different. We on the spectrum should know something about that.

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28 May 2019, 5:51 pm

If I want to use the men's locker room, I should be able to. Besides, I'd be getting changed in a cubicle with a curtain.

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28 May 2019, 5:53 pm

Better yet, I'd find a handicapped washroom to change in.

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28 May 2019, 5:56 pm

I think that every public place should have gender neutral washrooms and if they don't, they'd better get on it.

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28 May 2019, 6:00 pm

Screw womanhood. I'm going to do whatever I want anyways. I'm known around my area as Schultz.

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28 May 2019, 6:24 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:

VegetableMan wrote:

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I don't know. I'm just not a huge fan of this type of forced social engineering. Why create a solution when there isn't really a problem? It's nuts!

It might not be a problem for you since your gender aligns with your biological sex, but it’s a problem for a lot of people.

I still don't understand what's wrong with the current system. Where is the issue? Please explain this to me.

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28 May 2019, 7:51 pm

VegetableMan wrote:

I still don't understand what's wrong with the current system. Where is the issue? Please explain this to me.

Do you mean the current system where people are literally standing outside the women's room with guns threatening to arrest or even kill trans women who need to go pee? I think that's a pretty big problem.

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28 May 2019, 8:05 pm

I do believe there should still be separate bathrooms for men and women.

I do believe there are heterosexual guys who would take advantage of access to the ladies' room. It could happen.

If a "trans" man-to-woman wants to use the ladies' room, I see no problem with that.

But a cis-man (gay or straight). No way!

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