Martin Luther King's Legacy and #MeToo

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01 Jun 2019, 2:34 pm

We’d have to dig him up first before we could hang him.

I must say that it’s probably not going to come out in his favor by the looks of things, but you never know.

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01 Jun 2019, 2:37 pm

This was the thought pattern of some men (and some women, unfortunately) back in those days. Sort of “old boys network” type thinking.

The same with racism against minorities, ironically.

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01 Jun 2019, 2:39 pm

Harvey Weinstein made a lot a great movies. Do we separate the man and the film's he helped create and give HIM a pass? I don't.

IF this is true (more being declassified related to him in approximately ten years?) about MLK, he promoted some very good ideas indeed. Positively transformative. Do we separate the man from his ideas and give HIM a pass?

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01 Jun 2019, 2:44 pm

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If this actually happened.....

It doesn’t stain the idea. It stains the man.

It’s not the idea’s fault that the man failed to live up to them.

What am I saying that’s wrong?

Yes. Civil Rights Day, rather than the King holiday if he did this.

You aren’t saying anything wrong.

I’m just saying that his ideas aren’t that original, and he probably shouldn’t be given credit for them if, in fact, he is guilty.

His fame had more to do with the way his apparent opinions were housed as well as his charisma and personality. He has been deified. I’m not saying that this changes the way I feel about the Civil Rights Movement, but we should probably take some of the focus off of King and look more at other activists who were overshadowed by him.

Do you know what I’m saying?

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01 Jun 2019, 2:50 pm

I agree with that. We should give more credit to others, too.

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01 Jun 2019, 3:00 pm

definitely not as important as my very important private linguistics research

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01 Jun 2019, 3:01 pm

Magna wrote:

Harvey Weinstein made a lot a great movies. [/u]

he did?

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01 Jun 2019, 3:03 pm

we shouldnt believe anything nowadays.

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01 Jun 2019, 3:10 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:

Antrax wrote:

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kraftiekortie wrote:

This does NOT mean that King’s beliefs, or the belief in the ultimate equality of each human, are besmirched.

This does not undermine the quest for social justice.

All this does, if true, is undermine an individual man:

Dr. Martin Luther King.

It would mean that he actually didn’t fully buy into the words that he said. Encouraging a rapist would be encouraging one of the worst forms of oppression to occur.

If you can’t live by the morality you preach, it takes much of the wind out of your sails. Although his speech was amazing, much of what made it special was the source that it appeared to come from. When the source is tarnished, it doesn’t stand out anymore than words that have been written and voiced by any number of authors or public figures of the time period and the decades surrounding it.

People need to learn to put stock in ideas not people, and to be able to disassociate the two. Almost no person actually stands up to a puritanical scrutiny.

I wouldn’t expect people to stand up to “puritanical scrutiny.” I would, however, expect them to stand up to a rapist.

His ideas were voiced before. As a medium, he (as a person) was a central part of the Civil Rights Movement.

I was speaking more generally as a lot of time when people can't attack ideas they attack the people behind them. Yes if what reported of King is true, it's despicable behavior. Doesn't mean we should abandon the ideals he presented because the man himself was flawed.

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01 Jun 2019, 3:12 pm

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I'm not arguing Weinstein or King should get a pass. I'm arguing that the movies and ideas promoted should not be stained by association with Weinstein/King. Does that make sense.

Laugh at Bill Cosby's jokes while throwing him in the deepest darkest hole in prison.

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01 Jun 2019, 3:18 pm

Two things:

First: MLK is remembered for the ideas he championed, but the ideas do not stand or fall on the moral character of MLK himself.

Second: it is a sad truth that great people seldom turn out to also be good people.

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01 Jun 2019, 3:24 pm

And that's exactly why I don't trust "great people". No matter what great things they did for the world they're all monsters.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying I'm against what Martin Luther King stood for. But I sure feel sorry for that poor woman who was raped.

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01 Jun 2019, 3:34 pm

Antrax wrote:

Magna wrote:

Bill Cosby would have to tell some funny ones first in order for me to laugh at any of them.

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01 Jun 2019, 3:38 pm

Wolfram87 wrote:

Two things:
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First: MLK is remembered for the ideas he championed, but the ideas do not stand or fall on the moral character of MLK himself.

Second: it is a sad truth that great people seldom turn out to also be good people.

Correct. However, by having a national holiday in the name of MLK, we're celebrating the man as much as his ideas. If all of ends up being true, we should no longer elevate the man.

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01 Jun 2019, 3:44 pm

Magna wrote:

Wolfram87 wrote:

Correct. However, by having a national holiday in the name of MLK, we're celebrating the man as much as his ideas. If all of ends up being true, we should no longer elevate the man.

Maybe we should never have holidays in honor of people, only ideas.

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