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12 Aug 2019, 1:37 pm

Acteon25 wrote:
I’m a national socialist but not a Nazi. I support strong borders and decentralised government (anti-EU). I also believe at least 70% of the population of all countries should be made-up of the original people who formed the nation.

I think the modern definition of nationality is meaningless e.g. a person born to English parents in Japan is not “Japanese” they are English. I do not hate anyone for their race, but I believe homogeneous societies are safer and fairer.

These are my opinions. I always try to see both sides of every story. I am willing to be wrong in an argument and to learn from others. These views got me kicked off Twitter and constantly abused by so-called “liberals”. I have lost good friends for being a “racist” even though I am not anything of the sort.


A browse through the wrongplanet PPR forum archives reveals that members used to be far freer to discuss such things only a few years ago than they are now. This forum used to feature nationalists, trotskyites, libertarians, you name it. Now it seems to be mostly just a neoliberal echo-chamber.



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12 Aug 2019, 1:41 pm

slam_thunderhide wrote:
Acteon25 wrote:
I’m a national socialist but not a Nazi. I support strong borders and decentralised government (anti-EU). I also believe at least 70% of the population of all countries should be made-up of the original people who formed the nation.

I think the modern definition of nationality is meaningless e.g. a person born to English parents in Japan is not “Japanese” they are English. I do not hate anyone for their race, but I believe homogeneous societies are safer and fairer.

These are my opinions. I always try to see both sides of every story. I am willing to be wrong in an argument and to learn from others. These views got me kicked off Twitter and constantly abused by so-called “liberals”. I have lost good friends for being a “racist” even though I am not anything of the sort.


A browse through the wrongplanet PPR forum archives reveals that members used to be far freer to discuss such things only a few years ago than they are now. This forum used to feature nationalists, trotskyites, libertarians, you name it. Now it seems to be mostly just a neoliberal echo-chamber.


I'm new here and can't speak on the old days but I can certainly echo your recent feeling. I was kind of disappointed and surprised since joining. I thought I'd bump into many more libertarian, borderline anarchist people who are into letting everyone speak whatever comes to their mind openly. I find it's much easier to identify racists and other people I want nothing to do with if they have the freedom to openly express themselves... I guess it's very true that if you've met one aspie, then you've met one aspie. Surprisingly they/we all seem to follow a similar array of political beliefs to the NT voter which I didn't expect.



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12 Aug 2019, 1:46 pm

It would be dangerous to participate in a topic like this.

Likely, members will come out of the woodwork, interpret you as they will, and denounce you as a NAZI.

[You] feeling misinterpreted or disrespected may argue back, your arguments might be broader and less careful, and they will try and use those words against you.

Members try and get other members banned.


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12 Aug 2019, 1:46 pm

Acteon25 wrote:
... I also believe at least 70% of the population of all countries should be made-up of the original people who formed the nation...
You will soon discover that such racist comments are not welcome here, whether you believe they are racist or not.



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12 Aug 2019, 1:49 pm

Roboto wrote:
I have no issues with your personal opinions on this and you are free to maintain whatever personal ethnic reproduction practices you wish.
I would oppose any state/government influence to impose these beliefs on any group of people.
That's where I stand.


here here, i second you opinion.

I believe in democracy over totalitarianism apart from where it comes to blatant bigotry / prejudice,
in which case, as with all crime, they need to be addressed in a court of law and not blindly accepted from a dictatorship.



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12 Aug 2019, 1:54 pm

I'm not a "neo-liberal."

I just tells them as I sees them.

There's lots of conservatives here--as well as liberals. There are a few conservatives who are quite "conservative," indeed, have been on here for years, and have never been banned. They just talk their mess....and the liberals talk THEIR mess.....and that's how it goes here on WP.

It's true that WP doesn't allow neo-Nazi ideology. It also doesn't allow Incel ideology. Both are garbage ideologies which can lead to great harm. They also don't allow blatantly racist ideology.

Just professing a love for Trump, or being an arch-conservative, anarchist, or whatever, won't get you the boot. Insulting someone personally will, eventually.



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12 Aug 2019, 2:06 pm

Fnord wrote:
Acteon25 wrote:
... I also believe at least 70% of the population of all countries should be made-up of the original people who formed the nation...
You will soon discover that such racist comments are not welcome here, whether you believe they are racist or not.


While I disagree with his premise that this will have a positive effect on society, nor would I knowingly befriend a person who believes like this, I actually don't consider this to be a racist statement. It will be much easier to find and meet people we agree with if we let people openly communicate their views and avoid labeling everything uncomfortable as "racist."



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12 Aug 2019, 2:18 pm

it's not really a "racist" statement---true....it's a nationalist statement. It's a "one ethnic group beats all the other ethnic groups" statement.

By itself, it doesn't seem too bad-----but this sort of thing has been appropriated by people who believe in "ethnic cleansing."

Not only white Nazis. Black Tutsi, too, from Rwanda and Burundi.



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12 Aug 2019, 2:23 pm

Personally, i have never understood the practice of race supremacy.
And i have experienced it in many forms, from blatant Neo Nazi's that dress in full Romper Stomper uniform
with heads shaved to the bone, wearing Fred Perry T-shirts, with bracers, stonewashed blue jeans with turn ups over their doc martin boots or WW2 german boots, and the obligatory black or german green bomber jacket.

To neo nazi's who hide their beliefs behind a facade of viking mythology (common during the run up to WW2 as well),
who play heavy metal guitar, and portray themselves as rockstar's and occultists

To Black Skin only Marcus Garvey-ite Rasta, who look at all white people as their evil oppressors and blame all white people for the 400 years of slavery, including black rasta who have never been outside the UK, who hate white people who have never enslaved anyone in their life.

To proud Sheikh who live in Amistra, Bangul India, who look down upon westerners as lower incarnations because they were not born in the mother land of Hindu'ism.

To politicians, policemen and prison wardens (i have never been in prison myself but have visited people), who conveniently lose their neo nazi identity when changing careers.

One notable observation to note, some years ago, while researching a particularly volatile member of a violent UK white supremacist group who i had traced to a website about combat 18. I found out that the then leader had written several boastful articles on how the UK neo nazis had made links and business connections with the black and death metal fraternity in the UK, whom they were planning to further their cause with by rebranding neo nazism, as neo paganism etc.

I also read an article by the same author on how he recommended that since the racial discrimination laws had taken affect, and some of the obvious neo nazi's had been put in prison for violent crimes often related to race hate, that he believed the best strategy was for them to "convert" back to being normal, at least in appearance and verbal creed,
so as to make it hard for detection and prosecution.

He also mentioned that he thought it would be a clever strategy for the neo nazi troops to choose a "stealth" mode, in that he recommended for the neo nazis to act like spies in enemy territory, instead of smashing people's doors down and forcing their toxic creed down any captured victims throats, he recommended to act like a normal reasonable person and convert people subtly, and if the audience cant be converted, he recommended using stealth to take them out what ever way possible but ideally without detection.

Yep. all pretty disturbing. and interestingly enough, all the people who i knew are neo nazi's
now proclaim to be really nice labour supporters or hippies etc.
but in terms of behaviourism, they continued to appear to exhibit the same manipulative dirty political methods of using slander, demonization, bigotry, theft to achieve their dastardly goals.

Part of their ethos is to lie, as Hitler once said, if you tell a lie tell a big one, and spread it so that it becomes the truth.
(or words to that effect).

So. the funny thing is, and without judging anyone for claiming their not a nazi. I can't say that i am not skeptical when someone turns up makes a statement that they are a national socialist and thinks that countries should not be made up of less than x percent of the population but.... "i'm not a nazi guvnor.... honest!" (as he walks away whistling)...
without thinking that this is all very suspicious...

Nonetheless, i am not a moderator, nor am i here to judge.
I would say that if you are here not to stir up trouble for people, then i am sure people will also not stir up trouble for you.

From what i understand this website is primarily designed to serve as a community for people with Autism Spectrum Disorder which includes people with Asperger Syndrome and is not a political debating forum, although their is an area where politics can be discussed among the members. I imagine if you are there to be respectful and decent.
Then no problem.

If you however start to make blunt unquantifiable statements or attack people for holding views that you do not like which are not bigoted views, then i think probably not the best place for you to hang out.

Lastly. I would just like to state that i am someone who does not believe in race supremacy and would be happy to lose my cultural identity if it would bring us world peace.

In fact, if the world population were to lose their colour of skin over night, and other distinguishing characteristics that allow bigots to classify people, along with the borders between countries.
Then I would not have a problem with it.

Ultimately, a great deal of this labelling is nothing but extremely materialistic thinking that is in my opinion ignorant.
I am not against people having their cultural identity nor do i have a problem with people having their personal preference but i do have a problem with bigotry, where ever it comes from in what ever shape or form.

I dream of a world that is free of bigotry, labels, hatred, bullying ultimately prejudice.
where a man gets the same pay for doing the same job no matter what socio-economic-religious background he comes from, what colour of his skin, what nationality, what colour of his eyes. etc.

but alas we are a long way away from this world free of prejudice. If we ever are to find out way out of this wild wild wood.



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12 Aug 2019, 2:25 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
it's not really a "racist" statement---true....it's a nationalist statement. It's a "one ethnic group beats all the other ethnic groups" statement.

By itself, it doesn't seem too bad-----but this sort of thing has been appropriated by people who believe in "ethnic cleansing."

Not only white Nazis. Black Tutsi, too, from Rwanda and Burundi.


I don't see where there is "beating" or winning or any favoritism implied in his statements.
I'm really into pure bred dogs and think they should be preserved, does that make me canine racist?
We're all just mammals randomly here.



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12 Aug 2019, 2:33 pm

madbutnotmad wrote:
Personally, i have never understood the practice of race supremacy.
And i have experienced it in many forms, from blatant Neo Nazi's that dress in full Romper Stomper uniform
with heads shaved to the bone, wearing Fred Perry T-shirts, with bracers, stonewashed blue jeans with turn ups over their doc martin boots or WW2 german boots, and the obligatory black or german green bomber jacket.

To neo nazi's who hide their beliefs behind a facade of viking mythology (common during the run up to WW2 as well),
who play heavy metal guitar, and portray themselves as rockstar's and occultists

To Black Skin only Marcus Garvey-ite Rasta, who look at all white people as their evil oppressors and blame all white people for the 400 years of slavery, including black rasta who have never been outside the UK, who hate white people who have never enslaved anyone in their life.

To proud Sheikh who live in Amistra, Bangul India, who look down upon westerners as lower incarnations because they were not born in the mother land of Hindu'ism.

To politicians, policemen and prison wardens (i have never been in prison myself but have visited people), who conveniently lose their neo nazi identity when changing careers.

One notable observation to note, some years ago, while researching a particularly volatile member of a violent UK white supremacist group who i had traced to a website about combat 18. I found out that the then leader had written several boastful articles on how the UK neo nazis had made links and business connections with the black and death metal fraternity in the UK, whom they were planning to further their cause with by rebranding neo nazism, as neo paganism etc.

I also read an article by the same author on how he recommended that since the racial discrimination laws had taken affect, and some of the obvious neo nazi's had been put in prison for violent crimes often related to race hate, that he believed the best strategy was for them to "convert" back to being normal, at least in appearance and verbal creed,
so as to make it hard for detection and prosecution.

He also mentioned that he thought it would be a clever strategy for the neo nazi troops to choose a "stealth" mode, in that he recommended for the neo nazis to act like spies in enemy territory, instead of smashing people's doors down and forcing their toxic creed down any captured victims throats, he recommended to act like a normal reasonable person and convert people subtly, and if the audience cant be converted, he recommended using stealth to take them out what ever way possible but ideally without detection.

Yep. all pretty disturbing. and interestingly enough, all the people who i knew are neo nazi's
now proclaim to be really nice labour supporters or hippies etc.
but in terms of behaviourism, they continued to appear to exhibit the same manipulative dirty political methods of using slander, demonization, bigotry, theft to achieve their dastardly goals.

Part of their ethos is to lie, as Hitler once said, if you tell a lie tell a big one, and spread it so that it becomes the truth.
(or words to that effect).

So. the funny thing is, and without judging anyone for claiming their not a nazi. I can't say that i am not skeptical when someone turns up makes a statement that they are a national socialist and thinks that countries should not be made up of less than x percent of the population without thinking that this is all very suspicious...

Nonetheless, i am not a moderator, nor am i here to judge.
I would say that if you are here not to stir up trouble for people, then i am sure people will also not stir up trouble for you.

From what i understand this website is primarily designed to serve as a community for people with Autism Spectrum Disorder which includes people with Asperger Syndrome and is not a political debating forum, although their is an area where politics can be discussed among the members. I imagine if you are there to be respectful and decent.
Then no problem.

If you however start to make blunt unquantifiable statements or attack people for holding views that you do not like which are not bigoted views, then i think probably not the best place for you to hang out.

Lastly. I would just like to state that i am someone who does not believe in race supremacy and would be happy to lose my cultural identity if it would bring us world peace.

In fact, if the world population were to lose their colour of skin over night, and other distinguishing characteristics that allow bigots to classify people, along with the borders between countries.
Then I would not have a problem with it.

Ultimately, a great deal of this labelling is nothing but extremely materialistic thinking that is in my opinion ignorant.
I am not against people having their cultural identity nor do i have a problem with people having their personal preference but i do have a problem with bigotry, where ever it comes from in what ever shape or form.

I dream of a world that is free of bigotry, labels, hatred, bullying ultimately prejudice.
where a man gets the same pay for doing the same job no matter what socio-economic-religious background he comes from, what colour of his skin, what nationality, what colour of his eyes. etc.

but alas we are a long way away from this world free of prejudice. If we ever are to find out way out of this wild wild wood.


That's a pretty big soap box to be standing from and only using words as "man" and "him" in complete disregard for half of the population. I feel for women. Women didn't even get voting rights until 150 years ago, you could legally rape your wife only 30 years ago. Society talks a lot about privilege and discrimination and there's not a single group of people who have been treated worse than women in the US. We think cops beating up minorities is bad? How many husbands are beating their wives every day? The numbers don't even compare.



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12 Aug 2019, 2:37 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
If they say white people are more prone to gun violence than other "races," I wouldn't want to be constantly searched and harassed because I am white.

Encounters with police tend not to be pleasant affairs.

Would you like to be searched if it is found that people with Aspergers are more prone to violence?


Yes you would be searched. Police officers aren’t inherently “racist” for no reason. Also, not all police officers are white. I would be perfectly happy to be searched if it keeps the community safe. It would be logical to search me as a person with Aspergers. I would blame my fellow community for having to deal with that occasionally.



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12 Aug 2019, 2:38 pm

Roboto wrote:
I have no issues with your personal opinions on this and you are free to maintain whatever personal ethnic reproduction practices you wish.
I would oppose any state/government influence to impose these beliefs on any group of people.
That's where I stand.


Thank you, I agree. Very logical position



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12 Aug 2019, 2:48 pm

slam_thunderhide wrote:
Acteon25 wrote:
I’m a national socialist but not a Nazi. I support strong borders and decentralised government (anti-EU). I also believe at least 70% of the population of all countries should be made-up of the original people who formed the nation.

I think the modern definition of nationality is meaningless e.g. a person born to English parents in Japan is not “Japanese” they are English. I do not hate anyone for their race, but I believe homogeneous societies are safer and fairer.

These are my opinions. I always try to see both sides of every story. I am willing to be wrong in an argument and to learn from others. These views got me kicked off Twitter and constantly abused by so-called “liberals”. I have lost good friends for being a “racist” even though I am not anything of the sort.


A browse through the wrongplanet PPR forum archives reveals that members used to be far freer to discuss such things only a few years ago than they are now. This forum used to feature nationalists, trotskyites, libertarians, you name it. Now it seems to be mostly just a neoliberal echo-chamber.


That’s a shame. I’ve just been reported for racism because of this post. We will never grow as a society by having this “liberal” authoritarian moderators in power. I want to learn from all sectors of society, not just them.



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12 Aug 2019, 2:52 pm

Roboto wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Acteon25 wrote:
... I also believe at least 70% of the population of all countries should be made-up of the original people who formed the nation...
You will soon discover that such racist comments are not welcome here, whether you believe they are racist or not.


While I disagree with his premise that this will have a positive effect on society, nor would I knowingly befriend a person who believes like this, I actually don't consider this to be a racist statement. It will be much easier to find and meet people we agree with if we let people openly communicate their views and avoid labeling everything uncomfortable as "racist."


This is good because I would never knowingly befriend someone who cannot tolerate other opinions and treats friendship so cheaply.



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12 Aug 2019, 2:59 pm

madbutnotmad wrote:
Personally, i have never understood the practice of race supremacy.
And i have experienced it in many forms, from blatant Neo Nazi's that dress in full Romper Stomper uniform
with heads shaved to the bone, wearing Fred Perry T-shirts, with bracers, stonewashed blue jeans with turn ups over their doc martin boots or WW2 german boots, and the obligatory black or german green bomber jacket.

To neo nazi's who hide their beliefs behind a facade of viking mythology (common during the run up to WW2 as well),
who play heavy metal guitar, and portray themselves as rockstar's and occultists

To Black Skin only Marcus Garvey-ite Rasta, who look at all white people as their evil oppressors and blame all white people for the 400 years of slavery, including black rasta who have never been outside the UK, who hate white people who have never enslaved anyone in their life.

To proud Sheikh who live in Amistra, Bangul India, who look down upon westerners as lower incarnations because they were not born in the mother land of Hindu'ism.

To politicians, policemen and prison wardens (i have never been in prison myself but have visited people), who conveniently lose their neo nazi identity when changing careers.

One notable observation to note, some years ago, while researching a particularly volatile member of a violent UK white supremacist group who i had traced to a website about combat 18. I found out that the then leader had written several boastful articles on how the UK neo nazis had made links and business connections with the black and death metal fraternity in the UK, whom they were planning to further their cause with by rebranding neo nazism, as neo paganism etc.

I also read an article by the same author on how he recommended that since the racial discrimination laws had taken affect, and some of the obvious neo nazi's had been put in prison for violent crimes often related to race hate, that he believed the best strategy was for them to "convert" back to being normal, at least in appearance and verbal creed,
so as to make it hard for detection and prosecution.

He also mentioned that he thought it would be a clever strategy for the neo nazi troops to choose a "stealth" mode, in that he recommended for the neo nazis to act like spies in enemy territory, instead of smashing people's doors down and forcing their toxic creed down any captured victims throats, he recommended to act like a normal reasonable person and convert people subtly, and if the audience cant be converted, he recommended using stealth to take them out what ever way possible but ideally without detection.

Yep. all pretty disturbing. and interestingly enough, all the people who i knew are neo nazi's
now proclaim to be really nice labour supporters or hippies etc.
but in terms of behaviourism, they continued to appear to exhibit the same manipulative dirty political methods of using slander, demonization, bigotry, theft to achieve their dastardly goals.

Part of their ethos is to lie, as Hitler once said, if you tell a lie tell a big one, and spread it so that it becomes the truth.
(or words to that effect).

So. the funny thing is, and without judging anyone for claiming their not a nazi. I can't say that i am not skeptical when someone turns up makes a statement that they are a national socialist and thinks that countries should not be made up of less than x percent of the population but.... "i'm not a nazi guvnor.... honest!" (as he walks away whistling)...
without thinking that this is all very suspicious...

Nonetheless, i am not a moderator, nor am i here to judge.
I would say that if you are here not to stir up trouble for people, then i am sure people will also not stir up trouble for you.

From what i understand this website is primarily designed to serve as a community for people with Autism Spectrum Disorder which includes people with Asperger Syndrome and is not a political debating forum, although their is an area where politics can be discussed among the members. I imagine if you are there to be respectful and decent.
Then no problem.

If you however start to make blunt unquantifiable statements or attack people for holding views that you do not like which are not bigoted views, then i think probably not the best place for you to hang out.

Lastly. I would just like to state that i am someone who does not believe in race supremacy and would be happy to lose my cultural identity if it would bring us world peace.

In fact, if the world population were to lose their colour of skin over night, and other distinguishing characteristics that allow bigots to classify people, along with the borders between countries.
Then I would not have a problem with it.

Ultimately, a great deal of this labelling is nothing but extremely materialistic thinking that is in my opinion ignorant.
I am not against people having their cultural identity nor do i have a problem with people having their personal preference but i do have a problem with bigotry, where ever it comes from in what ever shape or form.

I dream of a world that is free of bigotry, labels, hatred, bullying ultimately prejudice.
where a man gets the same pay for doing the same job no matter what socio-economic-religious background he comes from, what colour of his skin, what nationality, what colour of his eyes. etc.

but alas we are a long way away from this world free of prejudice. If we ever are to find out way out of this wild wild wood.


It has nothing to do with “racial supremacy”. I have a love for culture and identity. Most people love Japan because its culture and people have been allowed to flourish, naturally. It hasn’t been diluted by enforced mass immigration and multiculturalism. True diversity is not globalism, it’s living in separate nations.

The most safest nations on earth are homogeneous societies (Iceland, Japan). Democracy doesn’t work so well in multicultural nations.